How NOT to win friends and influence people on PH

[sidicks]

ukkid35 said:

Threats to Rape and Murder are made my internet trolls daily, but I doubt they are ever likely to be enacted. Do you think the recipients of those threats are unaffected? Do you think that makes those threats acceptable?

Also, just because a threat is implicit, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And here is the story about 'Prepare to Leave' letters being issued by the Home Office, not from the Guardian, or the BBC - this is that progressive newspaper 'The Daily Mail'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4071770/Du...

Did I miss something, when these people came to the UK was there some guarantee that nothing would ever change and they had the right to live here forever? Maybe I missed that?

Regardless, as explained previously, if these people are here performing useful roles, why would be we send them home?

[Rovinghawk]

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

Could you please show us one of these threats? I've not seen one & neither have any of my EU friends living here.

[andymadmak]

ukkid35 said:

And here is the story about 'Prepare to Leave' letters being issued by the Home Office, not from the Guardian, or the BBC - this is that progressive newspaper 'The Daily Mail'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4071770/Du...

You might want to actually read that article.......

[sidicks]

andymadmak said:

You might want to actually read that article.......

That might require a basic level of intelligence!

[mybrainhurts]

Rovinghawk said:

ukkid35 said:

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

Could you please show us one of these threats? I've not seen one & neither have any of my EU friends living here.

I think he must have been born after the creation of the EU, he seems unaware that UK subjects lived and worked in Europe prior to the EU and European nationals lived and worked in the UK.

He's probably confusing the EU with the USSR.

[Einion Yrth]

mybrainhurts said:

He's probably confusing the EU with the USSR.

Easily done.

[E24man]

ukkid35 said:

I know the argument is lost already but 'The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing'

I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes, but it doesn't hurt to make yourself heard.

The problem with using the statement you quoted is that you implicitly ARE comparing yourself to the acts of true heroes, but you are quite correct in that you guilty of supporting pathetic sloganeering.

If you genuinely think there is something 'Evil' in the correct and legal progression of a democratic decision by the voting public of Great Britain then might I suggest you are insufferably naive beyond belief as to what truly and genuinely constitutes 'Evil'.

To compare your position as a remoaner to those who have, and still do, endure genuinely evil acts and regimes is naive, blinkered, pathetic and quite frankly disgusting.

You quite clearly are not, a 'Good man' and it would be better if you instead digested the tone of this saying, 'It is sometimes better to be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and perhaps remove all doubt.'

[SpeckledJim]

It is surely of vital importance that we don't get the population of the Costas back here.

It should be a red-line issue that anyone currently living within 70 miles of Marbs be allowed to move freely ANYWHERE in the EU. But on no account should they be allowed to come home.

[S11Steve]

I'm surprised that we have had any previous Brexit threads that this could have been posted to....

Has nobody thought about discussing it before now?

[anonymous-user]

Mr Cerbera said:

.... and approximately 3,000 others who are awaiting The Chop from their jobs and their pensions after working for the EU for 30+ years....

Why will they lose their pensions? Do you mean they will not continue to accrue even more generous pensions at the expense of the taxpayer who is not allowed or able to save as much for themselves? Perhaps they should be thankful they have had a nice comfortable EU job since before so many million of the continents unemployed were even born.

[DapperDanMan]

E24man said:

ukkid35 said:

I know the argument is lost already but 'The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing'

I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes, but it doesn't hurt to make yourself heard.

The problem with using the statement you quoted is that you implicitly ARE comparing yourself to the acts of true heroes, but you are quite correct in that you guilty of supporting pathetic sloganeering.

If you genuinely think there is something 'Evil' in the correct and legal progression of a democratic decision by the voting public of Great Britain then might I suggest you are insufferably naive beyond belief as to what truly and genuinely constitutes 'Evil'.

To compare your position as a remoaner to those who have, and still do, endure genuinely evil acts and regimes is naive, blinkered, pathetic and quite frankly disgusting.

You quite clearly are not, a 'Good man' and it would be better if you instead digested the tone of this saying, 'It is sometimes better to be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and perhaps remove all doubt.'

How can a statement that has "...I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes," be construed as comparing yourself to the acts of true heroes?

How can you determine whether someone is a "Good Man" or not based on some typing on a keyboard?

The democratic decision was to leave the EU, it was not about the minutiae of such an act. Therefore it does not give carte blanche to do whatever the government wants with regard to any aspect of leaving. If someone feels that threatening the livelihoods of 3 million people is an act of 'Evil' then why can't they express that without a pissing contest ensuing as to where there are acts of more evil in the world.

I do believe that it will be dealt with in the British way and those 3 million will be able to remain in the UK and the expats will remain in the EU. Maybe some people will not find this to their liking but there are a lot of good people in this country who will not tolerate the forced removal of those who came here seeking a better life for themselves and who have contributed to our society.

[sidicks]

DapperDanMan said:

How can a statement that has "...I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes," be construed as comparing yourself to the acts of true heroes?

I think you have missed the point!

DapperDanMan said:

How can you determine whether someone is a "Good Man" or not based on some typing on a keyboard?

The claims being made do not appear to align with reality. That's the first clue.

DapperDanMan said:

The democratic decision was to leave the EU, it was not about the minutiae of such an act. Therefore it does not give carte blanche to do whatever the government wants with regard to any aspect of leaving. If someone feels that threatening the livelihoods of 3 million people is an act of 'Evil' then why can't they express that without a pissing contest ensuing as to where there are acts of more evil in the world.

They can certainly express that opinion, however other people also have the right to respond suggesting that a) that is not what has been done and b) even if that was the case, it's a pretty strange definition of 'evil'.

DapperDanMan said:

I do believe that it will be dealt with in the British way and those 3 million will be able to remain in the UK and the expats will remain in the EU. Maybe some people will not find this to their liking but there are a lot of good people in this country who will not tolerate the forced removal of those who came here seeking a better life for themselves and who have contributed to our society.

1. Did people coming here from the EU expected a guaranteed right to remain indefinitely? I am not aware of any such guarantee being provided
2. Is there any evidence that the majority of those above will be permitted to stay post Brexit? Yes!
3. Has the actual situation for those above changed, since the referendum vote? No!

HTH

[Derek Smith]

phillpot said:

So Brexit means we need 3000 less bureaucrats and pen pushers?

There's a saving already.

That's not what is happening. The government is recruiting more bureaucrats. A neighbour, fairly recently retired, has been asked back due to the problems with lack of staff brought on by leaving the EU.

[sidicks]

Derek Smith said:

That's not what is happening. The government is recruiting more bureaucrats. A neighbour, fairly recently retired, has been asked back due to the problems with lack of staff brought on by leaving the EU.

So -3000 + 1 = -2999

[V8Matthew]

ukkid35 said:

Yup - Rosso Pearl



I know the argument is lost already but 'The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing'

I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes, but it doesn't hurt to make yourself heard.

I've got something similar on mine

[phillpot]

Derek Smith said:

That's not what is happening. The government is recruiting more bureaucrats. A neighbour, fairly recently retired, has been asked back due to the problems with lack of staff brought on by leaving the EU.

perhaps ukkid can get his CV in?

[powerstroke]

ATG said:

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

It's your utopia that has been making threats not our government !!!

[mybrainhurts]

powerstroke said:

ATG said:

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

It's your utopia that has been making threats not our government !!!

And we need the "threat" as a bargaining tool. Removing it at this point would weaken our position.

It's irrelevant anyway, nobody's going to be deported from anywhere.

[Tannedbaldhead]

sidicks said:

Derek Smith said:

That's not what is happening. The government is recruiting more bureaucrats. A neighbour, fairly recently retired, has been asked back due to the problems with lack of staff brought on by leaving the EU.

So -3000 + 1 = -2999

It'll be lot more than one. Was listening to a very interesting documentary on Radio 4 where politicians and ex senior civil servants were discussing how the civil service would cope with the logistical magnitude of disentangling the UK and and EU followed by having to administer subsequent UK regulation, implementation of legislation and administration of things like regional and agricultural aid.

The consensus was that we are going to need a much larger British civil service in the years to come.

[Tom Logan]

ATG said:

Weasel words. Their position is clearly threatened just as is the position of UK citizens living in the EU. The UK government could choose to lift the threat from EU citizens in the UK any time it wanted to, but it has chosen not to.

ATG got a new tattoo...