How NOT to win friends and influence people on PH

[anonymous-user]

fluffnik said:

The EU is cheap...

On a national financial scale I agree.

fluffnik said:

...and efficient, it saves all its members money, including the net contributors.

[sidicks]

fluffnik said:

The EU is cheap and efficient, it saves all its members money, including the net contributors.

Just out of interest, how long have you been working as Head of PR at the EU?

[ukkid35]

ukkid35 said:

jeff666 said:

As a Bodywork Man,

That gap around the boot is awful, please say the boot is open ?

Funny thing is, it was. The local car wash must have opened it without me realising.

Apparently panel fit isn't that important - they want £1.2M for this

[Pesty]

ukkid35 said:

Yup - Rosso Pearl



I know the argument is lost already but 'The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing'

I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes, but it doesn't hurt to make yourself heard.

Good men did. We voted against an un democratic corupt nightmare.

[ukkid35]

Pesty said:

Good men did. We voted against an un democratic corupt nightmare.

You voted for your MEP, what was undemocratic about that?

[NoNeed]

ukkid35 said:

Pesty said:

Good men did. We voted against an un democratic corupt nightmare.

You voted for your MEP, what was undemocratic about that?

Who decides on what the MEP votes on and are they elected

[anonymous-user]

ukkid35 said:

Apparently panel fit isn't that important - they want £1.2M for this

They all do that Sir

[mybrainhurts]

ukkid35 said:

Pesty said:

Good men did. We voted against an un democratic corupt nightmare.

You voted for your MEP, what was undemocratic about that?

Give me strength. You have no idea how the EU works. For starters, they considered reforming the institution to be democratic, then decided no because they know better than you about everything.

Wake up.

[Mr Cerbera]

ukkid35 said:

Mate, I feel for you

but

as the old European philosopher said
”You can only lead a Dingbat to the bar. You can’t make it buy a round”

I look forward to buying you a Bofferding (or 6) in Lux on your visit

[mybrainhurts]

Mr Cerbera said:

Nice rivets...

[ukkid35]

NoNeed said:

Who decides on what the MEP votes on and are they elected

The Commission, comprising commissioners who are appointed by our democratically elected governments.

In the UK we don't vote for appointees to roles in the UK parliament, we merely vote for MPs, they are then appointed to roles within the government. Hence we didn't vote for Prime Minister Major, or Brown, or May, they were appointed to those roles by their political parties.

Edited by ukkid35 on Thursday 9th March 08:03

[ukkid35]

NRS said:

And yet you want Scottish independence which is doing the opposite...?

Obviously there will be efficiency due to the scale of the EU, but at the same time big also means more inefficiencies in terms of processes, and also that often there is more compromise for everyone involved.

That seems entirely possible to me. But since a significant proportion of EU legislation is about standards (pollution, safety, equality etc) the compromise is probably made by those who have to raise standards as a result.

As for Scotland, I guess that depends on whether you value self determination and democracy. Personally I think independence would a mistake economically, but I can definitely see the argument politically and culturally. They really are between a rock and a hard place.

[Hosenbugler]

ukkid35 said:

NoNeed said:

Who decides on what the MEP votes on and are they elected

The Commission, comprising commissioners who are appointed by our democratically elected governments.

In the UK we don't vote for appointees to roles in the UK parliament, we merely vote for MPs, they are then appointed to roles within the government. Hence we didn't vote for Prime Minister Major, or Brown, or May, they were appointed to those roles by their political parties.

Edited by ukkid35 on Thursday 9th March 08:03

We, the electorate can sack our politicians, including PM's, we cannot sack EU commisioners.

Incideantally, the EU "parliament" is going to , or has moved to QMV, meaning the UK MEP's are outnumbered 27 to 1. The EU does not, and never has acted in the interests of the UK, it acts in its own dictatorial interests.

Basically, in the eU, the unelected appointess make the laws, and the MEPs advise on it , a direct reversal of what we have in the Uk, elected law makers , and the unelected appointees advise upon it. I'm absolutely delighted we are leaving the corrupt dictatorial cesspit of troughers that the EU is.

[ukkid35]

Hosenbugler said:

We, the electorate can sack our politicians, including PM's, we cannot sack EU commisioners.

I didn't realise that, I thought we had to wait until their term of office expired.

Remind who the electorate has sacked, and how we did that.

[Hosenbugler]

ukkid35 said:

Hosenbugler said:

We, the electorate can sack our politicians, including PM's, we cannot sack EU commisioners.

I didn't realise that, I thought we had to wait until their term of office expired.

Remind who the electorate has sacked, and how we did that.

Remember Gordon Brown? When was Juncker accountable to a UK ballot box?

[anonymous-user]

ukkid35 said:

...Hence we didn't vote for Prime Minister Major, or Brown, or May, they were appointed to those roles by their political parties.
...

You're right but Juncker was appointed despite the objection of our appointed prime minister and elected government.

[ukkid35]

fblm said:

You're right but Juncker was appointed despite the objection of our appointed prime minister and elected government.

I guess it depends whether you think it is more important to be able to exercise a veto, or for decisions to be made by QMV i.e. weighted by population.

Unlike the election of Juncker, the Brexit deal will be subject to a veto by any of the 27. So is that more or less fair than QVM?

[TheLordJohn]

Some of these remainer arguments are hilarious.

[anonymous-user]

ukkid35 said:

I guess it depends...

Not really. You are arguing that because the Commission is appointed by our elected representatives it is no less democratic than the appointment of our PM but appointments are made despite our elected governments objection. You might argue that having an alcoholic President, to whom we object, foisted on us by a majority of foreign governments is democratic and in a sense you are right but only if you have given up on the idea of sovereignty. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with abandoning sovereignty, even the Pound, for a United States of Northern Europe, but that's not what's on offer.