"Shocking" and "Racist" T-shirt
Discussion
It was 'Tigger' in the early 80's at my primary school in W Yorks, never knew of the N connotation.
When I was at school I had slightly sticking out ears and some kids used to call me Dumbo. Thankfully I got over the abuse (physical more than once) so that now I can finally watch the film without having a little blub.
When I was at school I had slightly sticking out ears and some kids used to call me Dumbo. Thankfully I got over the abuse (physical more than once) so that now I can finally watch the film without having a little blub.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to say the wider public might not be aware it's a reference to The Walking Dead and if you didn't you'd find it both shocking and the only other reasonable reference to the suggestion of that rhyme and the imagery of extreme violence would be lynching etc...
I'm very surprised Primark were stocking it in the first place.
I'm very surprised Primark were stocking it in the first place.
The written word in racism isn't good enough now, it's moved on to implied non written words 
Perhaps if the offended over f all brigade ingnored some stuff, perhaps the whole racism thing would soon get forgotten about, people would get bored of it , and then we can all move on, but the bargaining chips won't flow then I suppose
So it won't ever go away because they don't want it to
Perhaps if the offended over f all brigade ingnored some stuff, perhaps the whole racism thing would soon get forgotten about, people would get bored of it , and then we can all move on, but the bargaining chips won't flow then I suppose
So it won't ever go away because they don't want it to
MarshPhantom said:
Trax said:
MarshPhantom said:
Because the rest of the phrase contains the N-Word?
No it doesn't. Some idiot might imagine the N-Word there to cause them-self offense, but no.So no, there is not a set version of the rhyme, I have only ever known it for the word Baby, as I was born in the 70's, last century, not the previous one. Just like most other people, well, all that are alive now anyway.
The earliest record of it being used is in 1815 in New York:
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac
Mind you, I have no idea if there's racism in it....
So no, the T-shirt is not racist, on any level. The people who want it to mean the N Word say a lot about themselves though.
Trax said:
Wikipedia (yes I know, not the font of all knowledge), says that some earlier versions of it use the N word (like late 1800's), but in the modern world, i.e. 1900's, there are many different words used, which are not offensive.
So no, there is not a set version of the rhyme, I have only ever known it for the word Baby, as I was born in the 70's, last century, not the previous one. Just like most other people, well, all that are alive now anyway.
The earliest record of it being used is in 1815 in New York:
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac
Mind you, I have no idea if there's racism in it....
So no, the T-shirt is not racist, on any level. The people who want it to mean the N Word say a lot about themselves though.
If you read to the end of the Wikipedia article, it also says of the N-word version:So no, there is not a set version of the rhyme, I have only ever known it for the word Baby, as I was born in the 70's, last century, not the previous one. Just like most other people, well, all that are alive now anyway.
The earliest record of it being used is in 1815 in New York:
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac
Mind you, I have no idea if there's racism in it....
So no, the T-shirt is not racist, on any level. The people who want it to mean the N Word say a lot about themselves though.
"It was also used by Rudyard Kipling in his "A Counting-Out Song", from Land and Sea Tales for Scouts and Guides, published in 1935.[16] This may have helped popularise this version in the United Kingdom where it seems to have replaced all earlier versions until the late twentieth century.["
But I admit I didn't know the N-word association until the Clarkson affair, and I'm in my 30s so not that young.
FredClogs said:
I think it's perfectly reasonable to say the wider public might not be aware it's a reference to The Walking Dead and if you didn't you'd find it both shocking and the only other reasonable reference to the suggestion of that rhyme and the imagery of extreme violence would be lynching etc...
I'm very surprised Primark were stocking it in the first place.
Do you know who spotted and reported the shirt?I'm very surprised Primark were stocking it in the first place.
A Methodist Minister!
Why did none of the staff or workers or other shoppers complain?
The main shirt on sale actually indicates it's the Walking Dead.
Why has nobody complained about the programme where it is said? (I assume it's said, as I don't watch it).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4245086/Pr...
On a personal level, it's a s
t t shirt!Greenmantle said:
I am getting sick of people who see it is their duty to highlight the racist element in things as the "one and only" meaning. Does this mean that if a person is wearing a T-shirt with a banana on it then they are racist. For heavens sake grow up.
John
Absolutely spot on John
Hugo a Gogo said:
technodup said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
it's never been a nice word to use
It's not been used though.Balmoral said it was only in the 21st C PC gone mad era it wasn't part of the rhyme
I'm saying it hasn't been the 'standard' version of the rhyme for bloody ages
keep up
dandarez said:
FredClogs said:
I think it's perfectly reasonable to say the wider public might not be aware it's a reference to The Walking Dead and if you didn't you'd find it both shocking and the only other reasonable reference to the suggestion of that rhyme and the imagery of extreme violence would be lynching etc...
I'm very surprised Primark were stocking it in the first place.
Do you know who spotted and reported the shirt?I'm very surprised Primark were stocking it in the first place.
A Methodist Minister!
Why did none of the staff or workers or other shoppers complain?
The main shirt on sale actually indicates it's the Walking Dead.
Why has nobody complained about the programme where it is said? (I assume it's said, as I don't watch it).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4245086/Pr...
On a personal level, it's a s
t t shirt!Greenmantle said:
I am getting sick of people who see it is their duty to highlight the racist element in things as the "one and only" meaning. Does this mean that if a person is wearing a T-shirt with a banana on it then they are racist. For heavens sake grow up.
John
This. Also, the one complainant was white. Offended on behalf of others, who it seems are not offended enough to complain themselves.John
Hugo a Gogo said:
mybrainhurts said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
it's never been a nice word to use
Your grasp of history is a bit iffy.Before the progressives grasped it, it was used in product names and even names of colours.
This was in 2006.
There is also a children's clothes shop in Brentwood called the same
http://www.eenymeenie.co.uk/ Perhaps the shop should be closed because of racism also
http://www.eenymeenie.co.uk/ Perhaps the shop should be closed because of racism also
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