"Shocking" and "Racist" T-shirt
Discussion
amusingduck said:
I've heard that version before, but I was surprised to find out that it was actually the original version.
Eeny Meeny was very common when I was at school (90s), but it was "Piggy" not N-Word.
80s for me but it was also piggy, having heard what the original is I wouldn't say I find it offensive or shocking but I reckon it's a fEeny Meeny was very common when I was at school (90s), but it was "Piggy" not N-Word.
king stupid thing to wear.
Cold said:
98elise said:
Its not said in the programme....and if there was anything to be complained about it would be the very brutal beating that followed immediately after the rhyme!
Weren't those on the receiving end of the beatings Zombies? Grey Lives Matter. 
Here is the aftermath, it's a tad gruesome so if you're that way inclined I wouldn't open the spoiler, plus if you haven't read the comic or seen the TV program, it shows that too:
I can see both sides, being all too aware of the various words this ditty is used with (tinker/baby were the most commonly used where I was as a kid... Though ip dip dog st... Was the more oft used method of selection).
The shirt would probably have been less of an issue to Mr White Offended of Oxford and more commercially successful had it had a picture of a zombie on and the Walking Dead logo...
Without these things it's just a st t-shirt 
t... Was the more oft used method of selection). The shirt would probably have been less of an issue to Mr White Offended of Oxford and more commercially successful had it had a picture of a zombie on and the Walking Dead logo...
Without these things it's just a s
t t-shirt Baa baa black sheep has changed to Baa baa woolly sheep, things get updated over time.
Why cant this one white complainant accept that this has also been updated ?
The word is only an issue for white people, young black males appear to use it regularly if black culture is anything to go by. They can call each other Nigga and Negro, without causing offence.
del mar said:
Baa baa black sheep has changed to Baa baa woolly sheep, things get updated over time.
Why cant this one white complainant accept that this has also been updated ?
The word is only an issue for white people, young black males appear to use it regularly if black culture is anything to go by. They can call each other Nigga and Negro, without causing offence.
Don't forget those disgusting classical historians who speak latin, they constantly use the N word. Shocking, should be locked up Why cant this one white complainant accept that this has also been updated ?
The word is only an issue for white people, young black males appear to use it regularly if black culture is anything to go by. They can call each other Nigga and Negro, without causing offence.
We used the eeni meeni version saying n* when I was at primary school in the 70s, but we had no idea what it meant. It was just a made up word to us back then.
Hugo a Gogo said:
Balmoral said:
I don't know anything about The Walking Dead, or the sanitised 21st century PC version of the rhyme, so I would read that as per the original context, and I expect many others would too.
when I was a kid we said 'tiger', that was back in the 70s, which wasn't the 21st century and PC hadn't been inventedPeople started to recognise that black folks and women had value in the late 60's and that racism was not nice.
I remember as a 6 year old telling my mum off for calling my best friend a "blackly".
Things were changing rapidly back then.
In the 50's they used to put unmarried mothers in institutions!!!!!
loose cannon said:
Well I never
I was born in the late 50s, and through the 60s, and, probably, into the early 70s, I used the "N" word in that rhyme. I also used it with regard to the woodpile, too.
However, my generation was brought up with the saying "sticks and stones ...".
Things change.
I do, however, agree that far too many people find it too easy to be offended, and they are very quick to tell everyone about that.
My take on it is ... you're offended, big deal.
maxxy5 said:
Trax said:
Wikipedia (yes I know, not the font of all knowledge), says that some earlier versions of it use the N word (like late 1800's), but in the modern world, i.e. 1900's, there are many different words used, which are not offensive.
So no, there is not a set version of the rhyme, I have only ever known it for the word Baby, as I was born in the 70's, last century, not the previous one. Just like most other people, well, all that are alive now anyway.
The earliest record of it being used is in 1815 in New York:
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac
Mind you, I have no idea if there's racism in it....
So no, the T-shirt is not racist, on any level. The people who want it to mean the N Word say a lot about themselves though.
If you read to the end of the Wikipedia article, it also says of the N-word version:So no, there is not a set version of the rhyme, I have only ever known it for the word Baby, as I was born in the 70's, last century, not the previous one. Just like most other people, well, all that are alive now anyway.
The earliest record of it being used is in 1815 in New York:
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac
Mind you, I have no idea if there's racism in it....
So no, the T-shirt is not racist, on any level. The people who want it to mean the N Word say a lot about themselves though.
"It was also used by Rudyard Kipling in his "A Counting-Out Song", from Land and Sea Tales for Scouts and Guides, published in 1935.[16] This may have helped popularise this version in the United Kingdom where it seems to have replaced all earlier versions until the late twentieth century.["
But I admit I didn't know the N-word association until the Clarkson affair, and I'm in my 30s so not that young.
When someone finally explained it to our little gang, when picking who was on who's team, we changed to .....
"Ikle okle chocolate bottle .....bla bla
And O U T spells out"
As I said, things changed rapidly through the 60's.
You've only got to watch the old TVR's stuff like 'Love thy Neighbour'.
amusingduck said:
del mar said:
Baa baa black sheep has changed to Baa baa woolly sheep
..Seriously?!Where on earth is the racist subtext for Baa Baa Black Sheep?
Just to finally say, I understand that younger people who never heard of the original version might feel annoyed by a harmless childhood rhyme suddenly is touted as evil.
I'll just say that for those old enough to remember the earlier version, I know what it raises in me, a spence of shame that, even though I didn't understand as a kid, I used it every weekend, down the park.
As I guess the Methodist Priest remembered and was shocked.
My response would probably have been, "holly crap, look what's on that shirt".
This may have also offended said priest as implying that Jesus used to poo???
Muppets that explained the confusion the new world is becoming to 1950's and earlier kids.
I'll just say that for those old enough to remember the earlier version, I know what it raises in me, a spence of shame that, even though I didn't understand as a kid, I used it every weekend, down the park.
As I guess the Methodist Priest remembered and was shocked.
My response would probably have been, "holly crap, look what's on that shirt".
This may have also offended said priest as implying that Jesus used to poo???
Muppets that explained the confusion the new world is becoming to 1950's and earlier kids.
I think that if Primark get a complaint and decide to remove the T Shirt that's their business and their freedom of choice. They weighed it up and most likely realized it is maybe not the best thing to have in store. They will be fine, not sure why it needs to be a massive story unless again people are pushing agenda's.
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