Forget 5-a-day, eat 10 fruit&veg to prevent premature death.
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Regardless of peoples thoughts on this, a large section of society need to eat far healthier and these guidelines are a simple and easy way to try and get people to do this.
10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
B'stard Child said:
Kawasicki said:
one large apple has 32g of sugar
one can of coke has 35g of sugar
be careful out there folks
Seems a little high on the sugar content - I thought it was closer to 15g for a large appleone can of coke has 35g of sugar
be careful out there folks
What's the fibre content in a can of coke
Even worse: http://www.livestrong.com/article/448646-sugar-con...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/it-wasnt...
The Daily Mash said:
It wasn’t worth it, says 103-year-old vegetarian
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is s
t. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is s
t. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."ajprice said:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/it-wasnt...
I'm so glad someone wrote that.......The Daily Mash said:
It wasn’t worth it, says 103-year-old vegetarian
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is st. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is s
t. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."HTP99 said:
Regardless of peoples thoughts on this, a large section of society need to eat far healthier and these guidelines are a simple and easy way to try and get people to do this.
10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
And you believe that by eating s10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
tloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?PhillipM said:
And you believe that by eating stloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?
So now it is down to nitpicking over the correct types of fruit and veg? tloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?FFS, some people barely eat 2 portions a day, and fill up on pizza and Macdonalds. They should be dead before they get to 18, right?
King Herald said:
PhillipM said:
And you believe that by eating stloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?
So now it is down to nitpicking over the correct types of fruit and veg? tloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?FFS, some people barely eat 2 portions a day, and fill up on pizza and Macdonalds. They should be dead before they get to 18, right?
If I eat 5 packs a day then that's 5 right?
turbobloke said:
456mgt said:
glazbagun said:
Shouldn't we be moaning about how science is reported in the news rather than bhing about the findings of a study? They've found a correlation after a study of a pretty huge dataset and published their findings. Other people have published other studies which have a variety of results which will support or disagree with these findings.
Eating vegetables appears to have health benefits, and eating a fkton appears to have even greater health benefits according to the results of one large study... what is there to argue about?
The type of study. This is (yet another) cross sectional study, ie they've clustered a cohort of people based on a particular characteristic and seen a difference with a control group. They then conclude that the reason for this difference is because of the metric used for the original clustering. Problem is, this is simplistic. hing about the findings of a study? They've found a correlation after a study of a pretty huge dataset and published their findings. Other people have published other studies which have a variety of results which will support or disagree with these findings.Eating vegetables appears to have health benefits, and eating a f
kton appears to have even greater health benefits according to the results of one large study... what is there to argue about?The other type of study is longitudinal, the sort you would use to prove that a drug works for instance. Take a group of people, put them on a regime and follow them for say 5 years, versus a control group over the same interval. It's much more difficult to do but far more informative. It's also what you actually want to know, ie that if I eat a truckload of veg that I'll live longer. What the reported study shows is an association, it doesn't show that it's causal or the strength of the association.
There was a large clinical study some years ago testing a Mcdonalds diet versus something or other supposed to be healthy. This should have had a massive impact on cardiovascular health, based on the earlier cross sectional study. In fact it had virtually no impact on outcomes in the longitudinal study. So diet may well be a component, but it's just one, and may not in fact be the most important one. It's probably why you have stories of 'my granny ingested more saturated fat than a Greggs waste disposal unit and lived to be 102'.
If the scientists themselves don't know the bloody difference, it's hard to blame the media.
cat meets pigeons
turbobloke said:
Better not get onto the BMI thing.
I hear a lot of chatter that BMI breaks down when someone becomes very powerfully built.There have been a few studies conducted into the maximum muscle someone can build without the aid of steroids. It looks like the limit is of an adjusted fat free mass index (FFMI), basically BMI without bodyfat, normalised to a height of 1.8 metres, or 5'11", of 25.
Here's a graph that summarises the researchers' findings into the odds of being drug free at a given FFMI.
So someone who's 5'11" / 1.8 metres tall might have a limit on their lean mass somewhere around 179 lbs / 81 kg. The cutoff point for obesity at that height is 214 lbs / 97 kg, so 16% bodyfat, which is reasonably trim.
But the gym goes who fall into the obese BMI category typically aren't at that theoretical limit of muscle growth, and aren't particularly lean. I know that I was a bit chubby when I had a BMI in the low thirties, and look a lot better now that I'm about 15 kg lighter.
Going the other way, some ethnic groups, particularly Asians, have a lighter body structure, and hence can be at an unhealthy weight despite a normal BMI.
So there are problems with BMI, but I don't think it's as completely useless as turbobloke says.
King Herald said:
PhillipM said:
And you believe that by eating stloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?
So now it is down to nitpicking over the correct types of fruit and veg? tloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?FFS, some people barely eat 2 portions a day, and fill up on pizza and Macdonalds. They should be dead before they get to 18, right?
They can always go to one of the alternatives...
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/study...
Graemsay said:
turbobloke said:
Better not get onto the BMI thing.
I hear a lot of chatter that BMI breaks down when someone becomes very powerfully built.There have been a few studies conducted into the maximum muscle someone can build without the aid of steroids. It looks like the limit is of an adjusted fat free mass index (FFMI), basically BMI without bodyfat, normalised to a height of 1.8 metres, or 5'11", of 25.
Here's a graph that summarises the researchers' findings into the odds of being drug free at a given FFMI.
So someone who's 5'11" / 1.8 metres tall might have a limit on their lean mass somewhere around 179 lbs / 81 kg. The cutoff point for obesity at that height is 214 lbs / 97 kg, so 16% bodyfat, which is reasonably trim.
Graemsay said:
But the gym goes who fall into the obese BMI category typically aren't at that theoretical limit of muscle growth, and aren't particularly lean. I know that I was a bit chubby when I had a BMI in the low thirties, and look a lot better now that I'm about 15 kg lighter.
Going the other way, some ethnic groups, particularly Asians, have a lighter body structure, and hence can be at an unhealthy weight despite a normal BMI.
So there are problems with BMI, but I don't think it's as completely useless as turbobloke says.
It really is more useless than aome would admit but not completely useless - I didn't suggest it was totally useless. As with cholesterol, good health isn't defined by simplistic mantras.Going the other way, some ethnic groups, particularly Asians, have a lighter body structure, and hence can be at an unhealthy weight despite a normal BMI.
So there are problems with BMI, but I don't think it's as completely useless as turbobloke says.
BMI says nothing of where fat is located in terms of subcutaneous fat and visceral fat. Fat under the skin, fat smothering internal organs, that's something which weight (mass) and height alone cannot deal with, no matter what assumptions and fudge factors are used afterwards.
B'stard Child said:
Kawasicki said:
one large apple has 32g of sugar
one can of coke has 35g of sugar
be careful out there folks
Seems a little high on the sugar content - I thought it was closer to 15g for a large appleone can of coke has 35g of sugar
be careful out there folks
What's the fibre content in a can of coke
The enormous changes in the body caused by the ingestion of the sugar from a can of Coke are pretty horrifying. Apples, on the other hand are mostly fructose, which spikes insulin less and they have a lower glycemic index to other sweet fruits. They are sufficiently benign in this respect to be a suitable snack even for diabetics.
PhillipM said:
HTP99 said:
Regardless of peoples thoughts on this, a large section of society need to eat far healthier and these guidelines are a simple and easy way to try and get people to do this.
10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
And you believe that by eating s10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
tloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?HTP99 said:
PhillipM said:
HTP99 said:
Regardless of peoples thoughts on this, a large section of society need to eat far healthier and these guidelines are a simple and easy way to try and get people to do this.
10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
And you believe that by eating s10 portions of fruit and veg a day isn't actually that hard to do; a portion is 80g, this morning I weighed my homemade salad that I made for lunch, it weighed 240g, the apple, banana and satsuma I'm also taking to work for lunch, collectively weigh 340g so straightaway we are at 7.25 portions, I also had half a tin of baked beans for breakfast; another portion so 8.25 portions.
Tonight I've got home made spaghetti bolognaise which contains tomatoes, carrots, celery and onion so by tonight I'm well over my 10 portions a day, on and I had a glass of orange juice when I woke up this morning.
tloads of sugary, acidic stuff you're somehow eating healthy just because it's fruit and veg?tloads of sugary, acidic stuff' in fruit and veg, and makes the best use of it.B'stard Child said:
ajprice said:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/it-wasnt...
I'm so glad someone wrote that.......The Daily Mash said:
It wasn’t worth it, says 103-year-old vegetarian
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is st. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is s
t. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."ker, how old is he? What a shame he wasn't around when dentures first became available in the west, ie: the 18th century.
B'stard Child said:
ajprice said:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/it-wasnt...
I'm so glad someone wrote that.......The Daily Mash said:
It wasn’t worth it, says 103-year-old vegetarian
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is st. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."
Hobbs admitted that, despite living to an impressive age, he still thinks about meat with a sense of regret: “I am old now, and frankly it is s
t. But it’s too late to eat a steak because I have no teeth."Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff