CNN Fake News

[Goaty Bill 2]

rscott said:

Rich_W said:

rscott said:

Muntu said:

Not sure what whoever created that on Twitter is trying to say.

Obama issued federal guidance as to how existing federal law should be implemented. Trump has rescinded that guidance. The underlying law remains the same, the only difference is that the US is likely to see lots of different lawsuits at state level, likely resulting in different interpretations of the law in different states, rather than the same policy implemented nationally.

They're saying that when Obama did something it was guidance. And when Trump removed it, it went from being guidance to a "protection". The inference is that Trump has removed something that was very important to keep for the safety of others. When it appears that it wasn't that important really.

I have no idea if its a good/bad thing. But its how CNN did they're "Obama loving" "Trump hating" routine

Guidance can be protection, so I don't really see what the big difference is?

Sorry, but you can only not see the difference if you want to pretend there isn't one.
How 'big' it is may be open to some interpretation, but it's there.

I'm not fully on board with the 'fake news' of CNN; I do however recognise the blatantly biased reporting over many months.

[Rich_W]

rscott said:

Guidance can be protection, so I don't really see what the big difference is?

I'll try and put in a different example.

Guidance, would be "Exercise caution when disciplining Children"
Protection would be "You are not allowed to smack your child for the protection of the child"

One is advisory the other is an order.

So if you remove an order it's perceived as "worse" than if you remove something that's advisory.


Talking about #FakeNews in general. Yesterday Jon Sopel (BBC) tweeted about the small Russian flags (with "Trump" written on them) given to Trump supporters at the Conservative event this week. Trying to make it look like Trump supporters also support Russia. Also notes that the flags were removed by the security people there and infers that it was because they were getting heat for supporting Russia.

He failed to mention publically that the flags were given out by a left wing anti Trump group to dupe the trump supporters. Hence the removal.

Its that kind of thing, plus the laura keussenberg thing (the most embarrassing and self serving question ever asked of a US President) that gets up people nose. And makes the world ripe for a fakenews hashtag.

Balance and genuine well researched facts is what matters. Not trying to score points and constantly bash one person every day. Literally half the output of some news sources is Trump related.

[rscott]

Perfect example of Fake News by Fox - http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/fake-sweden-exper...

Turns out the expert Fox used left Sweden 20 years ago, has no government connections and the nearest he's been to law and order is a conviction for public drunkenness.

[Countdown]

Rich_W said:

Its that kind of thing, plus the laura keussenberg thing (the most embarrassing and self serving question ever asked of a US President) that gets up people nose. And makes the world ripe for a fakenews hashtag.
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It may get up your nose. That doesn't necessarily mean it gets up anybody else's.....

Politicians need to be held to account and the news media does that. To be fair, kn Trump's case it's like shooting fish in a barrel. if he doesn't want to be challenged for telling lies and saying stupid things the solution is simple. Stop telling lies and saying stupid things.

It looks like he's crapped his pants at the though of attending the White House Correspondents Dinner. Maybe they can get Alec Baldwin to stand in.....

[Rich_W]

Countdown said:

Rich_W said:

Its that kind of thing, plus the laura keussenberg thing (the most embarrassing and self serving question ever asked of a US President) that gets up people nose. And makes the world ripe for a fakenews hashtag.
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It may get up your nose. That doesn't necessarily mean it gets up anybody else's.....

Politicians need to be held to account and the news media does that. To be fair, kn Trump's case it's like shooting fish in a barrel. if he doesn't want to be challenged for telling lies and saying stupid things the solution is simple. Stop telling lies and saying stupid things.

It looks like he's crapped his pants at the though of attending the White House Correspondents Dinner. Maybe they can get Alec Baldwin to stand in.....

I have no problem with journos questioning politicians. Even those who Ive voted for (Not Trump as I'm a Brit ) I dont agree with everyting Trump is doing. What I dislike is some journos, particularly those of a BBC persuasion thinking they are the story.

BBC said:

"Mr President, you've said before that torture works, you've praised Russia, you've said you want to ban some Muslims from coming to America, you've suggested there should be punishment for abortion.

"For many people in Britain those sound like alarming beliefs. What do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world?"

It was a press conference where our PM met POTUS for the first time. It embarrasses May to ask a loaded series of questions when she's just been doing her best diplomacy (I daresay she's not a massive fan of his) and made some headway on Nato. Trump is clearly not someone who would take well to this line of question. So ask it at a time when OUR pm is not in the room. Choose your moments. Also the best question a political journo can ask is where the politician hangs themselves with their answer. There's no need to make it so damn obvious.

As for Sopel. He just needs to report the facts without bias, and let the reader understand the story and the back story. Which in the case of the flags he deliberately didn't to continue in an anti trump narrative. (Must be deliberate I don't have him down as incompetent)

[5ohmustang]

rscott said:

Just wondering - has anything new been found in the leaked CNN tapes yet? Or are we left with the 'using 2 week old polls' as the big bad story?

I know there are various pro-Trump groups on reddit who've divided it up and allocated hours to trusted posters to review, but haven't seen anything from them yet.

I wouldn't know, I've been busy getting st done.

[jmorgan]

Rich_W said:

As for Sopel. He just needs to report the facts without bias, and let the reader understand the story and the back story. Which in the case of the flags he deliberately didn't to continue in an anti trump narrative. (Must be deliberate I don't have him down as incompetent)

One of the reasons I liked Alistair Cooke, his letter are still available to some extent on the BBC. Well worth a listen. We need more of that to understand things today.

[Bill]

Rich_W said:

I have no problem with journos questioning politicians. Even those who Ive voted for (Not Trump as I'm a Brit ) I dont agree with everyting Trump is doing. What I dislike is some journos, particularly those of a BBC persuasion thinking they are the story.

BBC said:

"Mr President, you've said before that torture works, you've praised Russia, you've said you want to ban some Muslims from coming to America, you've suggested there should be punishment for abortion.

"For many people in Britain those sound like alarming beliefs. What do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world?"

It was a press conference where our PM met POTUS for the first time. It embarrasses May to ask a loaded series of questions when she's just been doing her best diplomacy (I daresay she's not a massive fan of his) and made some headway on Nato. Trump is clearly not someone who would take well to this line of question. So ask it at a time when OUR pm is not in the room. Choose your moments. Also the best question a political journo can ask is where the politician hangs themselves with their answer. There's no need to make it so damn obvious.

As for Sopel. He just needs to report the facts without bias, and let the reader understand the story and the back story. Which in the case of the flags he deliberately didn't to continue in an anti trump narrative. (Must be deliberate I don't have him down as incompetent)

Surely you realise that the problem in this scenario is Trump's thin skinned ego rather than the journalist?

[rscott]

5ohmustang said:

rscott said:

Just wondering - has anything new been found in the leaked CNN tapes yet? Or are we left with the 'using 2 week old polls' as the big bad story?

I know there are various pro-Trump groups on reddit who've divided it up and allocated hours to trusted posters to review, but haven't seen anything from them yet.

I wouldn't know, I've been busy getting st done.

Aren't you a. It embarrassed that your thread about CNN fake news tapes appears to be a whole load of fuss about nothing? There doesn't seem to be any story hiding in the tapes at all.

[anonymous-user]

5ohmustang said:

At some point today Project Veritas will release some very shocking undercover investigative journalism exposing CNN Fake News for the Fake News Organization they really are.

What was the fake news in the end?

[jmorgan]

I expect it was behind the camera banter? Many news orgs keep stuff and with digital recording today, almost all is captured.

[Rich_W]

Bill said:

Surely you realise that the problem in this scenario is Trump's thin skinned ego rather than the journalist?

No.

Trump has thin skin, I agree. But the journalist was trying to make a name for herself. It was embarrassing! You really think that multi question was going to get a decent response? It's typical of BBC and their ste.

Said it before and say it again. WISH that they'd bin the licence fee, so the BBC has to go and make its own money. They might start paying attention to their output!

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In todays news as sen on the Lilly Allen thread here.

BBC are reporting

"Lily Allen was attacked online after revealing she suffered from PTSD after stillbirth"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39095000/lil...

Only she wasn't!

The vicious tweets came after she suggested that Pensioners should be killed off. That they take more from the system than immigrants



So she ran a poll who is more valuable and when it went against her desired win, she claimed it was hijacked by someone with ~20 followers so deleted it.



Then threw a wobbly and left Twitter in a huff.

Grade 1 who should be dropped by her record company an shot into the Sun!

[Potatoes]

I don't watch CNN but I think it's prudent that we differentiate between biased news and fake news.

Bias:
Clearly favouring one candidate by showing favourable (truthful) data or information

Fake:
Making up terrorist attack that didn't happen

The US media is bias, some of it has been fake - remember that terrorist "expert on Fox saying Birmingham had no go areas? The US administration peddles fake news regularly: Obama birth certificate, fictitious terrorist attacks, the inauguration attendance or the statement that it was the biggest electoral win since Regan?

[jmorgan]

Quite interesting that Trump wants the press to out sources but he tweeted that someone had reliably told him the Obama's birth certificate is a fake.

Sauce for the goose.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/2325725...


He certainly liked to stir it when he was not at the top.

[Countdown]

Rich_W said:

I have no problem with journos questioning politicians. Even those who Ive voted for (Not Trump as I'm a Brit ) I dont agree with everyting Trump is doing. What I dislike is some journos, particularly those of a BBC persuasion thinking they are the story.

BBC said:

"Mr President, you've said before that torture works, you've praised Russia, you've said you want to ban some Muslims from coming to America, you've suggested there should be punishment for abortion.

"For many people in Britain those sound like alarming beliefs. What do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world?"

RichW said:

It was a press conference where our PM met POTUS for the first time. It embarrasses May to ask a loaded series of questions when she's just been doing her best diplomacy (I daresay she's not a massive fan of his) and made some headway on Nato. Trump is clearly not someone who would take well to this line of question. So ask it at a time when OUR pm is not in the room. Choose your moments. Also the best question a political journo can ask is where the politician hangs themselves with their answer. There's no need to make it so damn obvious.

As for Sopel. He just needs to report the facts without bias, and let the reader understand the story and the back story. Which in the case of the flags he deliberately didn't to continue in an anti trump narrative. (Must be deliberate I don't have him down as incompetent)

It was the perfect time and the perfect question. It exposed Trump's stupidity to a very large audience. Why you think it should embarrass May I have no idea. She's not responsible for what the Beeb or any of the U.K. media do.Do you think Breitbart or Infowars embarrass Trump? He's been asked difficult questions by most of the media, not just the Beeb, because THAT'S what the free press DO in a democratic society. any politician worth his salt would be able to deal with questions like these. The POTUS certainly should, otherwise people should worry about how he's going to deal with Putin, or Jong Un, or Xi zjinping, if he can't deal with a bbc reporter. And how does Trump react to tricky questions? He bans the media...

[Seventy]

5ohmustang said:

At some point today Project Veritas will release some very shocking undercover investigative journalism exposing CNN Fake News for the Fake News Organization they really are.

Now it may not be shocking to most as many already know CNN Fake News are the leaders in mainstream fake news media.

Let the Outrage begin.

http://projectveritas.com/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4250422/Ja...

https://youtu.be/wQur_wWPxm8

Can you tell me how long that you have recognised CNN (amongst others) as being 'fake news' and how long you have posted on this forum as such. Or whether it was since the election.

[5ohmustang]

Seventy said:

Can you tell me how long that you have recognised CNN (amongst others) as being 'fake news' and how long you have posted on this forum as such. Or whether it was since the election.

CNN Fake News has been Fake News for years well before they tried to secure Hitlerly's win. I've been here since Spring 2003 under an old username that I couldn't access.

[Seventy]

You're not answering the question I'm afraid.

[Potatoes]

5ohmustang said:

CNN Fake News has been Fake News for years well before they tried to secure Hitlerly's win. I've been here since Spring 2003 under an old username that I couldn't access.

Biased yes but not fake

[Goaty Bill 2]

Countdown said:

It was the perfect time and the perfect question. It exposed Trump's stupidity to a very large audience. Why you think it should embarrass May I have no idea. She's not responsible for what the Beeb or any of the U.K. media do.Do you think Breitbart or Infowars embarrass Trump? He's been asked difficult questions by most of the media, not just the Beeb, because THAT'S what the free press DO in a democratic society. any politician worth his salt would be able to deal with questions like these. The POTUS certainly should, otherwise people should worry about how he's going to deal with Putin, or Jong Un, or Xi zjinping, if he can't deal with a bbc reporter. And how does Trump react to tricky questions? He bans the media...

In fairness, 'behave or don't expect to be invited' has been a threat used by White House press management under most/all presidents.
I haven't really looked into this in Trump's case, but the only unusual thing I can see is the list of the 'uninvited' includes names that have rarely failed to behave themselves in the past.

Trump's team don't seem to be managing the questions and avoiding surprises, and preparing the president in the way previous teams have done.