Another Taser disaster.

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anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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La Liga said:
ou may well be right. I believe the chap who Tasered the blind man back in 2012 had authorisation taken from him.
Well apparently he mistook it for a sword.

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the Bristol incident in the coming weeks.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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XCP said:
WinstonWolf said:
Evanivitch said:
Hope someone was wearing a body-cam for this. How do you get close enough to taser but not see it's a blind man with a cane?
It's funny, my daughter was at a run in, the officers were heard to say "cam's on" (or words to that effect) yet the footage failed on all three confused
I could give you a long list of episodes where police equipment didn't do what it was meant to. Radios would be at the top, followed closely by computers.
My brother's on the same force and advised her to report it to PSD but she didn't think they'd believe a teenage girl over three officers. He's still fuming about it irked

Sir Lord Poopie

212 posts

91 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Real scum bag to shoot a blind man. Name and shame it, take it's pension away, fire it.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Sir Lord Poopie said:
Real scum bag to shoot a blind man. Name and shame it, take it's pension away, fire it.
Use it for taser training?

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Sir Lord Poopie said:
Real scum bag to shoot a blind man. Name and shame it, take it's pension away, fire it.
'It is' pension?

You write as if someone has set out to Taser a vulnerable person out of spite.I think it's almost certain to be a mistake. One which may amount to misconduct / criminal assault, but fundamentally a mistake.

XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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WinstonWolf said:
My brother's on the same force and advised her to report it to PSD but she didn't think they'd believe a teenage girl over three officers. He's still fuming about it irked
Was there anything controversial at the incident she witnessed? ( I am assuming 'run in' is some kind of colloquialism for 'arrest'.)

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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La Liga said:
It is' pension?

You write as if someone has set out to Taser a vulnerable person out of spite.I think it's almost certain to be a mistake. One which may amount to misconduct / criminal assault, but fundamentally a mistake.
You write as if you were there, witnessing or party to the incident, knowing exactly what was going through the mind of the officer as he pulled the trigger.

stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

217 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Going through his mind?

Name it
Go on

What was going through his mind was something like,

This blokes got a gun
Taser him before I get shot

Something like that

In reality do the Police taser people who they think have guns ?

I thought they used proper Armed Policeman to negate the threat posed by armed men.
Why didn't the offending cop retreat to safety and wait for backup
Wouldn't tasering a guy with a real gun be very risky.?

Sounds like someone needs to be put on something a little less public facing.
He or she doesn't sound normal.

Maybe the answer is to find out what was going through the officers mind
Via a full psychological evaluation.

The blind guy should get five figure compensation.
How scarey must've that been for him.
Sounds like he now just wants to run off and hide
Probably still terrified.


carinaman

21,329 posts

173 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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WinstonWolf said:
XCP said:
WinstonWolf said:
Evanivitch said:
Hope someone was wearing a body-cam for this. How do you get close enough to taser but not see it's a blind man with a cane?
It's funny, my daughter was at a run in, the officers were heard to say "cam's on" (or words to that effect) yet the footage failed on all three confused
I could give you a long list of episodes where police equipment didn't do what it was meant to. Radios would be at the top, followed closely by computers.
My brother's on the same force and advised her to report it to PSD but she didn't think they'd believe a teenage girl over three officers. He's still fuming about it irked
Aren't the Americans sending over some radiation sniffing surveillance aeroplane as the Russians have been rumoured to have allegedly been testing a nuke?

Perhaps the Electromagnetic Pulse wiped the police body worn video in that incident?

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

234 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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You'd think GMP Firearms Unit (and many senior GMP drones) would be a bit twitchy over the last five years after Grainger - plus they had a few nationally reported "issues" around that time (one firearms officer killed by another on a training exercise, for example).

The ongoing Grainger Inquiry: https://www.graingerinquiry.org.uk/evidence/

Fascinating reading, but chilling as well. Meanwhile. senior GMP officers have taken their eyes off the ball on this current one? Oops (you'd think they'd learn!).

No! Lessons have clearly been learned - from their own behaviours as well as those of of other (IPCC-referred) forces' actions in the recent past nuts .

/Sarcasm wink .

Mandalore

4,220 posts

114 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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I've never been caught doing something illegal by the Police, so I'm not prejudiced one way or the other.

Hence, I'll assume it's a mistake until proven otherwise, as it doesn't happen every day.


brenflys777

2,678 posts

178 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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My first arrest in the Police was a woman in a wheelchair. She was also blind and drunk. The reason for arrest was that she was throwing glasses in a pub and generally being abusive and violent to anything and anyone nearby.

I think to assume the worst of the Police in this incident is premature.

I think to assume that someone blind couldn't pose a danger is patronising and naive.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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brenflys777 said:
My first arrest in the Police was a woman in a wheelchair. She was also blind and drunk. The reason for arrest was that she was throwing glasses in a pub and generally being abusive and violent to anything and anyone nearby.

I think to assume the worst of the Police in this incident is premature.

I think to assume that someone blind couldn't pose a danger is patronising and naive.
Tasering a blind man could be an act of incredible bravery & heroism. Right.

I presume that the police apology to him doesn't suggest that they made a mistake, then?

Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Rovinghawk said:
brenflys777 said:
My first arrest in the Police was a woman in a wheelchair. She was also blind and drunk. The reason for arrest was that she was throwing glasses in a pub and generally being abusive and violent to anything and anyone nearby.

I think to assume the worst of the Police in this incident is premature.

I think to assume that someone blind couldn't pose a danger is patronising and naive.
Tasering a blind man could be an act of incredible bravery & heroism. Right.

I presume that the police apology to him doesn't suggest that they made a mistake, then?
No.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Greendubber said:
Rovinghawk said:
brenflys777 said:
My first arrest in the Police was a woman in a wheelchair. She was also blind and drunk. The reason for arrest was that she was throwing glasses in a pub and generally being abusive and violent to anything and anyone nearby.

I think to assume the worst of the Police in this incident is premature.

I think to assume that someone blind couldn't pose a danger is patronising and naive.
Tasering a blind man could be an act of incredible bravery & heroism. Right.

I presume that the police apology to him doesn't suggest that they made a mistake, then?
No.
Why would they apologise if it wasn't a mistake?

Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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bmw535i said:
Greendubber said:
Rovinghawk said:
brenflys777 said:
My first arrest in the Police was a woman in a wheelchair. She was also blind and drunk. The reason for arrest was that she was throwing glasses in a pub and generally being abusive and violent to anything and anyone nearby.

I think to assume the worst of the Police in this incident is premature.

I think to assume that someone blind couldn't pose a danger is patronising and naive.
Tasering a blind man could be an act of incredible bravery & heroism. Right.

I presume that the police apology to him doesn't suggest that they made a mistake, then?
No.
Why would they apologise if it wasn't a mistake?
GMP have already stated they think the officers acted appropriately, an apology is not an admission of guilt.


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Greendubber said:
GMP have already stated they think the officers acted appropriately, an apology is not an admission of guilt.
That doesn't answer my question.

Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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bmw535i said:
Greendubber said:
GMP have already stated they think the officers acted appropriately, an apology is not an admission of guilt.
That doesn't answer my question.
And?

Ask GMP on twitter if you want to know why.

XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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bmw535i said:
Why would they apologise if it wasn't a mistake?
Everyone knows it was a mistake. Whether it was justifiable to make that mistake under the circumstances is the question.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Greendubber said:
And?

Ask GMP on twitter if you want to know why.
Fair enough, if you don't know why they apologised, then just say so. I suppose most people apologise when they acknowledge they made a mistake though so it's fair to assume that's what happened here.