Another Taser disaster.
Discussion
XCP said:
bmw535i said:
Why would they apologise if it wasn't a mistake?
Everyone knows it was a mistake. Whether it was justifiable to make that mistake under the circumstances is the question.The tasered man hasn't made a complaint, the Officers have apologised and in the dark acting the way he was the Officers were mistaken but appear to have acted in good faith.
The assumption that a blind man is harmless is patronising in the extreme. I believe in equal opportunities for everyone to get tazed regardless of faith, race, creed or disibility if they appear to pose a threat. Equal rights, Equal volts.
bmw535i said:
You must be able to understand where the confusion lies though when someone responds with 'no' when the question was posed about it being a mistake.
I wouldn't get too hung up about an apology. Seems perfectly reasonable to apologise in the circumstances. I spent a good deal of time in my career apologising for things some of which were mistakes, some were f
k ups, some were just st happens type events.
Tom Logan said:
My comment wasn't aimed at you, but at Biggles up there ^^.
Sorry for the confusion, I ought to have made it clear.
Yet, you still don't use a username! I'd prefer 'Ace' if you prefer not to though Sorry for the confusion, I ought to have made it clear.
I find the anti Police hysteria on these threads ususually relies on ignorance and assumption - this one is no different! Keyboard warriors assume that mistakes are the result of deliberate intent or incompetence when it can just be the circumstances and realities of life away from a keyboard! The victim/suspect here hasn't even made a complaint - he's accepted the apology because of the circumstances. The worst assumption in this thread to me is the patronising assumption that a blind man can't present a threat - they're normal people too.
bmw535i said:
I suppose if you spent your career making said mistakes/fk ups you become desensitised to it.
To what?k ups you become desensitised to it.For clarity :
If I ring a wrong number, that's a mistake. If I smash your door down at 0400 and enter your house with a dozen officers and a dog which cr@ps on your carpet, when I should have executed the warrant at the house next door, that's a f
k up. And no, the second example wasn't my fault, before you ask.
XCP said:
No problem! My mistake.
You just proved one point.People DO apologise, even when THEY haven’t actually made a mistake, because manners cost nothing.
In your case, you simply asked for clarity (without insult) when you thought YOU were being insulted, yet apologised, when the clarity proved your concern was misdirect.
brenflys777 said:
I find the anti Police hysteria
It's not anti-police, it's anti-idiot.brenflys777 said:
assume that mistakes are the result of deliberate intent or incompetence
I don't think anyone has suggested malice, just incompetence.brenflys777 said:
The worst assumption in this thread to me is the patronising assumption that a blind man can't present a threat - they're normal people too.
They apologised & apparently bought him a coke- doesn't sound like the way they'd treat a threat. Do you regularly buy drinks for people who've been a genuine risk to your safety? I doubt it.XCP said:
To what?
For clarity :
If I ring a wrong number, that's a mistake. If I smash your door down at 0400 and enter your house with a dozen officers and a dog which cr@ps on your carpet, when I should have executed the warrant at the house next door, that's a fk up.
And no, the second example wasn't my fault, before you ask.
It never is. There is always someone to blame for mistakes. For clarity :
If I ring a wrong number, that's a mistake. If I smash your door down at 0400 and enter your house with a dozen officers and a dog which cr@ps on your carpet, when I should have executed the warrant at the house next door, that's a f
k up. And no, the second example wasn't my fault, before you ask.
XCP said:
bmw535i said:
It never is. There is always someone to blame for mistakes.
Indeed. That person was not me though.k up? If there is a difference why are both similarly blameworthy? Your pedantry seems to confuse even yourself.Mistakes were made, apologies given. It will happen again sadly, but it appears that in general the police force are very unaccepting of their own mistakes. The attitudes on here appear to reflect that.
bmw535i said:
XCP said:
bmw535i said:
It never is. There is always someone to blame for mistakes.
Indeed. That person was not me though.k up? If there is a difference why are both similarly blameworthy? Your pedantry seems to confuse even yourself.Mistakes were made, apologies given. It will happen again sadly, but it appears that in general the police force are very unaccepting of their own mistakes. The attitudes on here appear to reflect that.
Bigends said:
bmw535i said:
XCP said:
bmw535i said:
It never is. There is always someone to blame for mistakes.
Indeed. That person was not me though.k up? If there is a difference why are both similarly blameworthy? Your pedantry seems to confuse even yourself.Mistakes were made, apologies given. It will happen again sadly, but it appears that in general the police force are very unaccepting of their own mistakes. The attitudes on here appear to reflect that.
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