Dear UKIP voters, did you mostly vote UKIP because..

[Kermit power]

Getragdogleg said:

///ajd said:

Countdown said:

How about "Were you just a bit simple?".

This would cover those people who think Muslim immigration is primarily from the EU.

9% so far. Seems low.

Talking of low - "low grader" should be an option

I don't vote Ukip but you two fkwits and your superiority complexes almost make me want to out of spite for you and the rest of your kind.

Your ilk and its self righteousness is why we have Brexit (and across the sea for similar reasons Trump) people are reacting against the left and its inabilities to actually solve any of the problems it says it will. In fact the law of unintended consequences comes into play and you have actually created more problems, (mass immigration, debt and terrible PFI deals) all so you can feel "right on" and be seen to care.

Its ok though, because the left has very little power now so it can blame those in charge now and ignore the st show that was their last spell in power. In fact you lot seem to think the problems created in the Blair/Brown years can now be laid at the feet of the present lot.

You are the problem you silly little people. You are wrong, your ideology is wrong and you cant see it. Problem is now we have swung too far the other way which is as bad and it is your fault.

So, in case you are hard of thinking (previously proven, see posting history) Ukip is a protest vote, a protest against all the bks your lot has foisted upon the electorate.

I think you're only looking at half the issue. The problem is that people (not just in this country) have looked at all hues of established political parties and thought "there's nobody here that represents my views". It's not just the traditional left wing voters that had the problem, but the traditional middle class right wing voters as well.

Anyway, I've added a few more options to the poll this morning to try and reflect this. Apologies to any of the 30 people who'd already voted and might've subsequently chosen one of these options.

[///ajd]

Getragdogleg said:

///ajd said:

Getragdogleg said:

I don't vote Ukip but you two fkwits and your superiority complexes almost make me want to out of spite for you and the rest of your kind.

Your ilk and its self righteousness is why we have Brexit (and across the sea for similar reasons Trump) people are reacting against the left and its inabilities to actually solve any of the problems it says it will. In fact the law of unintended consequences comes into play and you have actually created more problems, (mass immigration, debt and terrible PFI deals) all so you can feel "right on" and be seen to care.

Its ok though, because the left has very little power now so it can blame those in charge now and ignore the st show that was their last spell in power. In fact you lot seem to think the problems created in the Blair/Brown years can now be laid at the feet of the present lot.

You are the problem you silly little people. You are wrong, your ideology is wrong and you cant see it. Problem is now we have swung too far the other way which is as bad and it is your fault.

So, in case you are hard of thinking (previously proven, see posting history) Ukip is a protest vote, a protest against all the bks your lot has foisted upon the electorate.

I think you demonstrate well who may be the problem.

I'm frustrated with the torys, the elite, the bankers influence, austerity, labour are a shambles, etc. - there are a host of problems in the mainstream and they are struggling to keep in touch.

The answer is not in my opinion to vote for a bunch of bigoted racist incompetent liars just because you are frustrated with the mainstream however.

It is the protest vote of the stupid. Stop blaming other people for your vote - you placed it!

And you have reading comprehension problems...


ETA: and think a crafty edit when you have spotted the problem will do to hide the mistake. Sorry, I was too quick.

Why are you defending the votes then? Too ashamed to admit you secretly quite like UKIP?

I knew you'd spit your dummy hence the edit. So predictable.

And you weren't too quick as you admit I corrected before you could post. Don't tell 'em Pike!

[Getragdogleg]

Kermit power said:

Getragdogleg said:

///ajd said:

Countdown said:

How about "Were you just a bit simple?".

This would cover those people who think Muslim immigration is primarily from the EU.

9% so far. Seems low.

Talking of low - "low grader" should be an option

I don't vote Ukip but you two fkwits and your superiority complexes almost make me want to out of spite for you and the rest of your kind.

Your ilk and its self righteousness is why we have Brexit (and across the sea for similar reasons Trump) people are reacting against the left and its inabilities to actually solve any of the problems it says it will. In fact the law of unintended consequences comes into play and you have actually created more problems, (mass immigration, debt and terrible PFI deals) all so you can feel "right on" and be seen to care.

Its ok though, because the left has very little power now so it can blame those in charge now and ignore the st show that was their last spell in power. In fact you lot seem to think the problems created in the Blair/Brown years can now be laid at the feet of the present lot.

You are the problem you silly little people. You are wrong, your ideology is wrong and you cant see it. Problem is now we have swung too far the other way which is as bad and it is your fault.

So, in case you are hard of thinking (previously proven, see posting history) Ukip is a protest vote, a protest against all the bks your lot has foisted upon the electorate.

I think you're only looking at half the issue. The problem is that people (not just in this country) have looked at all hues of established political parties and thought "there's nobody here that represents my views". It's not just the traditional left wing voters that had the problem, but the traditional middle class right wing voters as well.

Anyway, I've added a few more options to the poll this morning to try and reflect this. Apologies to any of the 30 people who'd already voted and might've subsequently chosen one of these options.

Absolutely, I vote the candidate, I make a point of meeting with them, talking to them and voting the one who best represents me. This has led to a voting history that would be confusing if I ever wrote it down but means I feel represented because I can contact the person I voted for.

To date this has not included a UKIP candidate.

If the rest of the population could get their head around this idea and not be a "we vote labour in this family, always have, always will" then the political landscape would change dramatically very quickly.

Voting and never contacting the MP again and just hoping for what you want is baffling. You have to have a rapport and they need to work for you.

[Getragdogleg]

///ajd said:

Why are you defending the votes then? Too ashamed to admit you secretly quite like UKIP?

I knew you'd spit your dummy hence the edit. So predictable.

And you weren't too quick as you admit I corrected before you could post. Don't tell 'em Pike!

Everyone has the right to vote the way they want, if that does not suit you then you are more of a problem than I thought.

No you didn't, you didn't read it and then did after you posted, you then threw an edit in there and hoped to get away with it.

I posted then scanned the rest of the thread again and spotted your edit, called you out on it in an edit of my own.

As an aside another poster has your original post quoted anyway so its there for all to see.

You represent a rotten ineffective and spiteful side of politics, you are extreme and you ought to have a section of the poll all of your own. "I voted UKIP because of ///AJD annoying me"

[TooMany2cvs]

Getragdogleg said:

If the rest of the population could get their head around this idea and not be a "we vote labour in this family, always have, always will" then the political landscape would change dramatically very quickly.

Indeed. If people would only remember that their vote at a general election is ONLY for the purpose of deciding who is the best of the available candidates to represent their constituency...

EVERY single person in the UK is represented at Westminster by the single most locally popular option for their representative.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

Getragdogleg said:

If the rest of the population could get their head around this idea and not be a "we vote labour in this family, always have, always will" then the political landscape would change dramatically very quickly.

Indeed. If people would only remember that their vote at a general election is ONLY for the purpose of deciding who is the best of the available candidates to represent their constituency...

EVERY single person in the UK is represented at Westminster by the single most locally popular option for their representative.

How many times have you two (a) contacted your mo with a request that they do something that affects you personally in your constituency, and (b) been on the receiving end of a positive outcome to that request?

[///ajd]

Getragdogleg said:

Everyone has the right to vote the way they want, if that does not suit you then you are more of a problem than I thought.

No you didn't, you didn't read it and then did after you posted, you then threw an edit in there and hoped to get away with it.

I posted then scanned the rest of the thread again and spotted your edit, called you out on it in an edit of my own.

As an aside another poster has your original post quoted anyway so its there for all to see.

You represent a rotten ineffective and spiteful side of politics, you are extreme and you ought to have a section of the poll all of your own. "I voted UKIP because of ///AJD annoying me"

If you think calling out the bigoted racist liars is the "rotten ineffective spiteful" side of politics, that's your choice.

I see you leave the way open to vote UKIP if you like the MP. So you would vote UKIP. I see.

Would you vote for Farage as an MP?

[TooMany2cvs]

Greg66 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Getragdogleg said:

If the rest of the population could get their head around this idea and not be a "we vote labour in this family, always have, always will" then the political landscape would change dramatically very quickly.

Indeed. If people would only remember that their vote at a general election is ONLY for the purpose of deciding who is the best of the available candidates to represent their constituency...

EVERY single person in the UK is represented at Westminster by the single most locally popular option for their representative.

How many times have you two (a) contacted your mo with a request that they do something that affects you personally in your constituency, and (b) been on the receiving end of a positive outcome to that request?

a. Last month.
b. Didn't even get the decency of an acknowledgement, let alone anything that could be called a reply...

But, then, perhaps that would improve if people remembered what their vote was actually for. We might actually get candidates and MPs who remember what their job is, instead of party yes-men parachuted in from central office.

I live in the Welsh borders. The last election, we had a choice of...
1. The widely locally derided incumbent seeking a fourth term.
2. A local small-business owner active in the community.
3. A councillor from a London borough who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.
4. The London-based daughter of the previous local candidate for the party.
5. A councillor from a Birmingham satellite who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

Greg66 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Getragdogleg said:

If the rest of the population could get their head around this idea and not be a "we vote labour in this family, always have, always will" then the political landscape would change dramatically very quickly.

Indeed. If people would only remember that their vote at a general election is ONLY for the purpose of deciding who is the best of the available candidates to represent their constituency...

EVERY single person in the UK is represented at Westminster by the single most locally popular option for their representative.

How many times have you two (a) contacted your mo with a request that they do something that affects you personally in your constituency, and (b) been on the receiving end of a positive outcome to that request?

a. Last month.
b. Didn't even get the decency of an acknowledgement, let alone anything that could be called a reply...

But, then, perhaps that would improve if people remembered what their vote was actually for. We might actually get candidates and MPs who remember what their job is, instead of party yes-men parachuted in from central office.

I live in the Welsh borders. The last election, we had a choice of...
1. The widely locally derided incumbent seeking a fourth term.
2. A local small-business owner active in the community.
3. A councillor from a London borough who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.
4. The London-based daughter of the previous local candidate for the party.
5. A councillor from a Birmingham satellite who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.

So once, and to no avail.

Seems to me it is artificial to take your view about what a vote is for. In principle, yes, that's right, but in reality that's just not how things get done.

[Jonesy23]

///ajd said:

If you think calling out the bigoted racist liars is the "rotten ineffective spiteful" side of politics, that's your choice.

I see you leave the way open to vote UKIP if you like the MP. So you would vote UKIP. I see.

Would you vote for Farage as an MP?

Have you ever thought what a shame it would be after 10 years if you finally got banned for trolling?

Maybe you'll be lucky and it'll just be from NPE but this shtick is getting very tired now.

[TooMany2cvs]

Greg66 said:

So once, and to no avail.

That's just the most recent time.

[Jazzy Jag]

What, no "All Of The Above" options?

[Kermit power]

TooMany2cvs said:

a. Last month.
b. Didn't even get the decency of an acknowledgement, let alone anything that could be called a reply...

But, then, perhaps that would improve if people remembered what their vote was actually for. We might actually get candidates and MPs who remember what their job is, instead of party yes-men parachuted in from central office.

I live in the Welsh borders. The last election, we had a choice of...
1. The widely locally derided incumbent seeking a fourth term.
2. A local small-business owner active in the community.
3. A councillor from a London borough who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.
4. The London-based daughter of the previous local candidate for the party.
5. A councillor from a Birmingham satellite who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.

Who won?

[TooMany2cvs]

Kermit power said:

TooMany2cvs said:

a. Last month.
b. Didn't even get the decency of an acknowledgement, let alone anything that could be called a reply...

But, then, perhaps that would improve if people remembered what their vote was actually for. We might actually get candidates and MPs who remember what their job is, instead of party yes-men parachuted in from central office.

I live in the Welsh borders. The last election, we had a choice of...
1. The widely locally derided incumbent seeking a fourth term.
2. A local small-business owner active in the community.
3. A councillor from a London borough who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.
4. The London-based daughter of the previous local candidate for the party.
5. A councillor from a Birmingham satellite who showed no sign they had ever heard of the area before selection.

Who won?

The incumbent, with an absolute majority of votes cast.

[Getragdogleg]

Greg66 said:

How many times have you two (a) contacted your mo with a request that they do something that affects you personally in your constituency, and (b) been on the receiving end of a positive outcome to that request?

a: Many times, last time I even ended up going to the Houses of Parliament and meeting with the transport secretary to voice concerns about a local ferry scheme that was thought up by our local council to make themselves money while screwing the local operator of the current ferry.

b: yes, got it thrown out via a judicial review.

Other occasions included getting a parking scheme reviewed and changed so it benefited the people rather than the council. Sorted out local litter picks and getting the council to undertake its street cleaning obligations.

I'm a pest...but for the right reasons.

[///ajd]

Jonesy23 said:

///ajd said:

If you think calling out the bigoted racist liars is the "rotten ineffective spiteful" side of politics, that's your choice.

I see you leave the way open to vote UKIP if you like the MP. So you would vote UKIP. I see.

Would you vote for Farage as an MP?

Have you ever thought what a shame it would be after 10 years if you finally got banned for trolling?

Maybe you'll be lucky and it'll just be from NPE but this shtick is getting very tired now.

You mean like banning the BBC from white house breifings? right.

[Getragdogleg]

///ajd said:

1: If you think calling out the bigoted racist liars is the "rotten ineffective spiteful" side of politics, that's your choice.

2: I see you leave the way open to vote UKIP if you like the MP. So you would vote UKIP. I see.

3: Would you vote for Farage as an MP?

1: None so blind as those who wont see.

2: If the candidate was representative of my view then yes. that's how it works. Luckily my view is centred and I have decent morals so I don't get it wrong often. I would also possibly vote for a party made up of all women or all Muslim or all transsexuals if the candidate was aligned to my views and I deemed them suitable. There is no fight to pick here so stop poking me with "ohh you racist you would vote UKIP" it makes you look silly.

3: Come on, really ? I Don't think he is about to move to Cornwall and stand as an MP but if he does I promise to talk to him ok.

[anonymous-user]

Getragdogleg said:

a: Many times, last time I even ended up going to the Houses of Parliament and meeting with the transport secretary to voice concerns about a local ferry scheme that was thought up by our local council to make themselves money while screwing the local operator of the current ferry.

b: yes, got it thrown out via a judicial review.

Other occasions included getting a parking scheme reviewed and changed so it benefited the people rather than the council. Sorted out local litter picks and getting the council to undertake its street cleaning obligations.

I'm a pest...but for the right reasons.

Is the transport sec your MP?

[98elise]

For me it was uncontrolled immigration.

Regardless of what politicians kept saying about how beneficial it was i can see with my own eyes whats happening.

A mate is a truck driver, His wages dropped from an average wage to minimum wage because eastern europeans will do the same job for far less. They are also happy to live in a single room with a couple of mates, because their family home is in a cheaper country.

There is now a large community of easter europeans in our local town. Its the worst part of town (not because of the immigrants its just the worst part of town). So regardless of what the politicians tell us, they are not all high skilled net contributing doctors engineers etc.

In my office there are 9 people. Only two of us are British nationals. I still keep in contact with a mate at a company I worked at 5 years ago. The ratio is about the same there. Whenever a british national leaves, they are replaced with a cheaper immigrant.

I don't hate immigrants. I'm neither xenophopic or racist. I simply want controls back in place so that we alow people to live and work here based on need. I want all countries to be treated the same, not alow a free for all to a select few countries just because they joined our club.

Edited by 98elise on Saturday 25th February 10:33

[Jockman]

There will be those on here who attribute the Brexit vote to UKIP. The usual suspects, really.

The Stoke result undermines that viewpoint.