Dear UKIP voters, did you mostly vote UKIP because..
Poll: Dear UKIP voters, did you mostly vote UKIP because..
Total Members Polled: 70
Discussion
Greg66 said:
Getragdogleg said:
a: Many times, last time I even ended up going to the Houses of Parliament and meeting with the transport secretary to voice concerns about a local ferry scheme that was thought up by our local council to make themselves money while screwing the local operator of the current ferry.
b: yes, got it thrown out via a judicial review.
Other occasions included getting a parking scheme reviewed and changed so it benefited the people rather than the council. Sorted out local litter picks and getting the council to undertake its street cleaning obligations.
I'm a pest...but for the right reasons.
Is the transport sec your MP?b: yes, got it thrown out via a judicial review.
Other occasions included getting a parking scheme reviewed and changed so it benefited the people rather than the council. Sorted out local litter picks and getting the council to undertake its street cleaning obligations.
I'm a pest...but for the right reasons.
This was a few years ago and my MP at the time was brilliant. Shame he did not get re-elected.
eta: He was a Lib-dem MP, a party I don't align with at all yet the MP was a man of good standing who actually helped. He knew my political habits and we could talk freely about my non commitment to the Lib-dems.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Saturday 25th February 10:37
Getragdogleg said:
No.
This was a few years ago and my MP at the time was brilliant. Shame he did not get re-elected.
eta: He was a Lib-dem MP, a party I don't align with at all yet the MP was a man of good standing who actually helped. He knew my political habits and we could talk freely about my non commitment to the Lib-dems.
So the answers to my questions were (a) many times (b) no. This was a few years ago and my MP at the time was brilliant. Shame he did not get re-elected.
eta: He was a Lib-dem MP, a party I don't align with at all yet the MP was a man of good standing who actually helped. He knew my political habits and we could talk freely about my non commitment to the Lib-dems.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 25th February 10:37
Reality smacks down principle!
Getragdogleg said:
1: None so blind as those who wont see.
2: If the candidate was representative of my view then yes. that's how it works. Luckily my view is centred and I have decent morals so I don't get it wrong often. I would also possibly vote for a party made up of all women or all Muslim or all transsexuals if the candidate was aligned to my views and I deemed them suitable. There is no fight to pick here so stop poking me with "ohh you racist you would vote UKIP" it makes you look silly.
3: Come on, really ? I Don't think he is about to move to Cornwall and stand as an MP but if he does I promise to talk to him ok.
1. I can see me caling out the bigotry and lies of UKIP. What can you see?2: If the candidate was representative of my view then yes. that's how it works. Luckily my view is centred and I have decent morals so I don't get it wrong often. I would also possibly vote for a party made up of all women or all Muslim or all transsexuals if the candidate was aligned to my views and I deemed them suitable. There is no fight to pick here so stop poking me with "ohh you racist you would vote UKIP" it makes you look silly.
3: Come on, really ? I Don't think he is about to move to Cornwall and stand as an MP but if he does I promise to talk to him ok.
2. You implied I was totally wrong to assume you might vote UKIP, so just trying to clarify.
3. It seems you need to meet him to work out whether you might agree with his demonstrably bigoted, racist views and his track record of lies. Sounds like you are wiling to ignore all that or perhaps think they are not even proven? None so blind inded.
Jockman said:
There will be those on here who attribute the Brexit vote to UKIP. The usual suspects, really.
The Stoke result undermines that viewpoint.
The fact it took place at all was in large measure due to UKIP, the worry that UKIP might bleed support from the Tories, and an overconfidence on Cameron's part that he'd win, kill UKIP and unite the Conservatives in one fell swoop. The Stoke result undermines that viewpoint.
The outcome of the vote had a bit more to it.
Jockman said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Jockman said:
There will be those on here who attribute the Brexit vote to UKIP.
Without UKIP, would there have been a referendum?
TooMany2cvs said:
Jockman said:
There will be those on here who attribute the Brexit vote to UKIP.
Without UKIP, would there have been a referendum?To my mind, that was a good thing for UKIP support levels before there was a referendum, but - as Stoke maybe demonstrates, a pretty poor one for them now, and probably a terminally disastrous one for them once Brexit is implemented.
TooMany2cvs said:
And what was it a (over-?)reaction to?
A perception that UKIP was eroding their support base in certain parts of the country?A perception that a hatrick of Referendum wins was on the cards?
A perception that the EU boil would be lanced from the Conservative Party, affording the leadership some clarity on this divisive issue?
All of the above?
Kermit power said:
I think you're only looking at half the issue. The problem is that people (not just in this country) have looked at all hues of established political parties and thought "there's nobody here that represents my views". It's not just the traditional left wing voters that had the problem, but the traditional middle class right wing voters as well.
Anyway, I've added a few more options to the poll this morning to try and reflect this. Apologies to any of the 30 people who'd already voted and might've subsequently chosen one of these options.
i don't even think that is the real problem. the problem for me is career politicians that spout the party line while completely ignoring it . the majority of them the world over seem to be working the system for personal gain and you can add senior civil servants into that mix. those from hmrc that have gone on to work for companies they have been involved with those companies tax affairs are the worst sort of taxpayer cheating scum, imo of course.Anyway, I've added a few more options to the poll this morning to try and reflect this. Apologies to any of the 30 people who'd already voted and might've subsequently chosen one of these options.
so many seem to be tied to large corporations it is a complete joke .
Firstly I didn't vote for them, I'm pro EU and pretty central/c-left economically. Didnt vote in the pole.
But honestly what tempted me most about them was the status quo option, they seem to be one of the very few parties to hold on to 'old fashioned' libertarian values. Their biggest promises up here in Scotland where to repeal a bunch of s
t we have had come in in the last few years (smoking bans in pubs, air rifle licencing, named persons scheme etc etc) as well as a brief promise to bring back technical education in schools encouraging kids into more practical trades rather than useless uni degrees.
I like the sentiment of their socal policy. Pretty much everything else about them I despise though.
But honestly what tempted me most about them was the status quo option, they seem to be one of the very few parties to hold on to 'old fashioned' libertarian values. Their biggest promises up here in Scotland where to repeal a bunch of s
t we have had come in in the last few years (smoking bans in pubs, air rifle licencing, named persons scheme etc etc) as well as a brief promise to bring back technical education in schools encouraging kids into more practical trades rather than useless uni degrees. I like the sentiment of their socal policy. Pretty much everything else about them I despise though.
Greg66 said:
Getragdogleg said:
No.
This was a few years ago and my MP at the time was brilliant. Shame he did not get re-elected.
eta: He was a Lib-dem MP, a party I don't align with at all yet the MP was a man of good standing who actually helped. He knew my political habits and we could talk freely about my non commitment to the Lib-dems.
So the answers to my questions were (a) many times (b) no. This was a few years ago and my MP at the time was brilliant. Shame he did not get re-elected.
eta: He was a Lib-dem MP, a party I don't align with at all yet the MP was a man of good standing who actually helped. He knew my political habits and we could talk freely about my non commitment to the Lib-dems.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Saturday 25th February 10:37
Reality smacks down principle!
Other occasions I contacted him in his time as MP were positive, in some cases helped me understand the whys and wherefores of the concerns better.
Reality upholds principle.
My local MP is Tory and always will be - this part of Essex will vote blue no matter who stands for them or against .
However, I'd actually have voted for a UKIP candidate had I been in the neighbouring constituency. Although that would have been a vote entirely for the person, not his party, as it's Carswell. From all accounts he's done a define job of representing the people and actually dealing with their issues, something my MP would never lower himself to bother with.
However, I'd actually have voted for a UKIP candidate had I been in the neighbouring constituency. Although that would have been a vote entirely for the person, not his party, as it's Carswell. From all accounts he's done a define job of representing the people and actually dealing with their issues, something my MP would never lower himself to bother with.
///ajd said:
3. It seems you need to meet him to work out whether you might agree with his demonstrably bigoted, racist views and his track record of lies. Sounds like you are wiling to ignore all that or perhaps think they are not even proven? None so blind indeed.
Can you pick an argument in an empty room ? Just asking like...Getragdogleg said:
Can you pick an argument in an empty room ? Just asking like...
I just think of him really angry with a copy of the mirror in some sad little bedsit It's funny and we should help him by posting links to positive brexit storys and opinion polls
I love these lefty types the more bitter spittle flecked and hypocritical the better ....
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