Car buyers should have 'long, hard think' about diesel
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IroningMan said:
Autotrader national search. Mundane Volvo V60 estate. £15,000 or under, 50k miles or under.
Diesel: 455
Petrol: 4
The graph above would be more interesting if it showed the split by fuel type of cars under three years old - I reckon that's nearer 90% diesel.
Quick data mine on Autotrader of cars for sale today......Diesel: 455
Petrol: 4
The graph above would be more interesting if it showed the split by fuel type of cars under three years old - I reckon that's nearer 90% diesel.
YEAR PETROL DIESEL HYBRID ELECTRIC OTHER TOTAL
2017 5673 6318 389 67 16 12463
2016 31820 44098 1544 195 63 77720
2015 16696 23816 728 142 34 41416
2014 20746 28288 731 121 34 49920
2013 18250 33999 555 35 35 52874
2012 10612 20676 296 15 18 31617
2011 10177 16061 238 6 9 26491
2010 10782 13142 181 10 24115
2009 10760 11300 124 14 22198
2008 10949 10527 122 13 21611
2007 11796 9638 143 15 21592
2006 9907 6819 74 13 16813
2005 7856 4614 39 14 12523
2004 6585 2969 14 22 9590
2003 5017 1724 9 16 6766
2002 3344 898 2 14 4258
2001 2157 409 1 13 2580
2000 > 4109 582 1 62 4754
YEAR PETROL DIESEL HYBRID ELECTRIC OTHER
2017 45.5% 50.7% 3.1% 0.5% 0.1%
2016 40.9% 56.7% 2.0% 0.3% 0.1%
2015 40.3% 57.5% 1.8% 0.3% 0.1%
2014 41.6% 56.7% 1.5% 0.2% 0.1%
2013 34.5% 64.3% 1.0% 0.1% 0.1%
2012 33.6% 65.4% 0.9% 0.0% 0.1%
2011 38.4% 60.6% 0.9% 0.0% 0.0%
2010 44.7% 54.5% 0.8% 0.0% 0.0%
2009 48.5% 50.9% 0.6% 0.0% 0.1%
2008 50.7% 48.7% 0.6% 0.0% 0.1%
2007 54.6% 44.6% 0.7% 0.0% 0.1%
2006 58.9% 40.6% 0.4% 0.0% 0.1%
2005 62.7% 36.8% 0.3% 0.0% 0.1%
2004 68.7% 31.0% 0.1% 0.0% 0.2%
2003 74.2% 25.5% 0.1% 0.0% 0.2%
2002 78.5% 21.1% 0.0% 0.0% 0.3%
2001 83.6% 15.9% 0.0% 0.0% 0.5%
2000> 86.4% 12.2% 0.0% 0.0% 1.3%
IroningMan said:
Autotrader national search. Mundane Volvo V60 estate. £15,000 or under, 50k miles or under.
Diesel: 455
Petrol: 4
The graph above would be more interesting if it showed the split by fuel type of cars under three years old - I reckon that's nearer 90% diesel.
I had one. In fact it's back on sale on Autotrader right now and will be one of your 4 petrol cars. Been on there for weeks with the price slowly decreasing, so it's clear that still nobody wants large petrol cars.Diesel: 455
Petrol: 4
The graph above would be more interesting if it showed the split by fuel type of cars under three years old - I reckon that's nearer 90% diesel.
Can anyone explain why Hydrogen hasn't had a wider take up? It seems (environmentally at least) to be the best way to get widespread EV usage in companies with poor energy generation / security (I. E. The UK).
As a guess I'd say infrastructure costs and the fact that it is currently too energy intense to extract hydrogen?
As a guess I'd say infrastructure costs and the fact that it is currently too energy intense to extract hydrogen?
audidoody said:
jurbie said:
Seems sensible to me. I bought a 2 year old diesel which had just 9500 miles on it which I doubled in 4 months. I think that justifies me owning a diesel but what the previous owners excuse was I have no idea although I suspect the £20/year VED may have had an influence..
Or the having maximum torque at around 2,000 rpm .. ability to pull away in second, go round most corners in fourth.Some people like that
Probably plays a part in it. From reports I've seen the new 530D is the pick of the bunch of the new 5 series, though there are no 2WD petrol 6s yet.
KarlMac said:
Can anyone explain why Hydrogen hasn't had a wider take up? It seems (environmentally at least) to be the best way to get widespread EV usage in companies with poor energy generation / security (I. E. The UK).
As a guess I'd say infrastructure costs and the fact that it is currently too energy intense to extract hydrogen?
Your guess is correct.As a guess I'd say infrastructure costs and the fact that it is currently too energy intense to extract hydrogen?
Ceeejay said:
Quick data mine on Autotrader of cars for sale today......
Top mining - very impressed by that but the formatting made my teeth itch so I hope you don't mind I've formatted the data below| YEAR | PETROL | DIESEL | HYBRID | ELECTRIC | OTHER | TOTAL |
| 2017 | 5673 | 6318 | 389 | 67 | 16 | 12463 |
| 2016 | 31820 | 44098 | 1544 | 195 | 63 | 77720 |
| 2015 | 16696 | 23816 | 728 | 142 | 34 | 41416 |
| 2014 | 20746 | 28288 | 731 | 121 | 34 | 49920 |
| 2013 | 18250 | 33999 | 555 | 35 | 35 | 52874 |
| 2012 | 10612 | 20676 | 296 | 15 | 18 | 31617 |
| 2011 | 10177 | 16061 | 238 | 6 | 9 | 26491 |
| 2010 | 10782 | 13142 | 181 | 10 | 24115 | |
| 2009 | 10760 | 11300 | 124 | 14 | 22198 | |
| 2008 | 10949 | 10527 | 122 | 13 | 21611 | |
| 2007 | 11796 | 9638 | 143 | 15 | 21592 | |
| 2006 | 9907 | 6819 | 74 | 13 | 16813 | |
| 2005 | 7856 | 4614 | 39 | 14 | 12523 | |
| 2004 | 6585 | 2969 | 14 | 22 | 9590 | |
| 2003 | 5017 | 1724 | 9 | 16 | 6766 | |
| 2002 | 3344 | 898 | 2 | 14 | 4258 | |
| 2001 | 2157 | 409 | 1 | 13 | 2580 | |
| Pre 2000 | 4109 | 582 | 1 | 62 | 4754 |
| YEAR | PETROL | DIESEL | HYBRID | ELECTRIC | OTHER |
| 2017 | 45.5% | 50.7% | 3.1% | 0.5% | 0.1% |
| 2016 | 40.9% | 56.7% | 2.0% | 0.3% | 0.1% |
| 2015 | 40.3% | 57.5% | 1.8% | 0.3% | 0.1% |
| 2014 | 41.6% | 56.7% | 1.5% | 0.2% | 0.1% |
| 2013 | 34.5% | 64.3% | 1.0% | 0.1% | 0.1% |
| 2012 | 33.6% | 65.4% | 0.9% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| 2011 | 38.4% | 60.6% | 0.9% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| 2010 | 44.7% | 54.5% | 0.8% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| 2009 | 48.5% | 50.9% | 0.6% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| 2008 | 50.7% | 48.7% | 0.6% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| 2007 | 54.6% | 44.6% | 0.7% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| 2006 | 58.9% | 40.6% | 0.4% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| 2005 | 62.7% | 36.8% | 0.3% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| 2004 | 68.7% | 31.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.2% |
| 2003 | 74.2% | 25.5% | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.2% |
| 2002 | 78.5% | 21.1% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.3% |
| 2001 | 83.6% | 15.9% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.5% |
| Pre 2000 | 86.4% | 12.2% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 1.3% |
Ceeejay said:
B'stard Child said:
Top mining - very impressed by that but the formatting made my teeth itch so I hope you don't mind I've formatted the data below
Cheers.....
took me 20 secs to format it using notepad and excel
Copy your data into notepad - save it as txt file
Import the txt file into xls as Delimited data (separated by spaces)
Then insert extra columns between the data to add the PH formatting || between each cell/column
audidoody said:
Or the having maximum torque at around 2,000 rpm .. ability to pull away in second, go round most corners in fourth.
Some people like that
True. I find the low down torque suits my road driving style of "slow in, fast out" - a style I have adopted over the years as so many corners aren't well enough sighted to carry speed as you don't know what is round the other side. Some people like that
IanCress said:
I had one. In fact it's back on sale on Autotrader right now and will be one of your 4 petrol cars. Been on there for weeks with the price slowly decreasing, so it's clear that still nobody wants large petrol cars.
And those who do want them can't really buy them unless they want to spend a year chasing needles in haystacks because most large cars are diesel. So we end up driving diesels even though we don't want to. The only thing worse than driving a diesel when you tried to buy a petrol but couldn't is then having your residual valued destroyed by continual doom-mongering in the press about diesel, even though the reality is that any attempts to curb diesel use will probably involve attempting to reduce the purchase of future new diesel cars and ban much much older ones from city centres (Along with older petrol cars, too!).r11co said:
There's more than enough documentary evidence floating around from the time to suggest that the mandating of catalytic converters was a stitch-up driven mainly by the oil companies as they knew that (based on scientific knowledge at the time) it would put a cap on engine fuel efficiency as it forced an air/fuel ratio (and therefor efficiency) much lower than lean burn engines would have been capable of.
Your tin foil hat must be a bit too tight again.A catalytic converter could be quickly retro fitted to pretty much any engine made at the time. Lean burn would have required new engines to be developed, neither a quick or a cheap exercise.
Lean burn engines produce higher levels of NOx, so some kind of exhaust treatment would have been required anyway.
XCP said:
Rovinghawk said:
Emissions/environment is a smokescreen; I could have driven my V8 Jaguar for the rest of my/its life & not caused as much environmental damage as producing a new Totota Aygo/Prius.
Agreed. I used to call it my '944 argument'.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff