Car buyers should have 'long, hard think' about diesel
Discussion
techguyone said:
@Willy Nilly
I doubt very much your jazz is doing 50 mpg urban, tell me your year & model
My Jazz (trip comp) says low 40's town (more likely high 30's)
2011 EX 1.4
Same as yours but ES, showing 50.6 as it sits on the drive. That's not to say the dash is telling the truth. I doubt very much your jazz is doing 50 mpg urban, tell me your year & model
My Jazz (trip comp) says low 40's town (more likely high 30's)
2011 EX 1.4
Deerfoot said:
techguyone said:
@Willy Nilly
I doubt very much your jazz is doing 50 mpg urban, tell me your year & model
My Jazz (trip comp) says low 40's town (more likely high 30's)
2011 EX 1.4
My wife's Jazz gets around 38 mpg urban. It's never achieved 50 mpg, even on a steady run.I doubt very much your jazz is doing 50 mpg urban, tell me your year & model
My Jazz (trip comp) says low 40's town (more likely high 30's)
2011 EX 1.4
It's also a 1.4 EX.
Vipers said:
Does anyone make a petrol engined bus? Thinking of the amount of diesel engined buses in London for starters.
And if you sat by the motorway for a week, how many old or knew artics would you see that don't use diesel?Do the govt plan to change all them out to petrol, or electric? If not, then the arguments over 1.5 litre diesel passenger car is totally irrelevant. I'd wager there are more artics than diesel passenger cars on the road.
King Herald said:
Vipers said:
Does anyone make a petrol engined bus? Thinking of the amount of diesel engined buses in London for starters.
And if you sat by the motorway for a week, how many old or knew artics would you see that don't use diesel?Do the govt plan to change all them out to petrol, or electric? If not, then the arguments over 1.5 litre diesel passenger car is totally irrelevant. I'd wager there are more artics than diesel passenger cars on the road.
There are approximately 28 million cars on the road in the UK, I'm guessing 40% to 50% are diesel. There are approximately 120,000 artics.
mabosh said:
Eh? Are you really suggesting that there are more artics on the road than diesel cars?
There are approximately 28 million cars on the road in the UK, I'm guessing 40% to 50% are diesel. There are approximately 120,000 artics.
You think up to 50% of private cars are diesel? Hmmm, I doubt that somehow, but I get your point about artics. I was really thinking of diesel delivery type vehicles, not artics per se.There are approximately 28 million cars on the road in the UK, I'm guessing 40% to 50% are diesel. There are approximately 120,000 artics.
A quick check on our friend google seems to indicate more miles are done by Diesel engine transport vehicles than by petroleum engined cars though, even with a good few less of them.
Which was my point all along, diesel is dominant, and unseating it will take a long, long time. I believe it will take much more than some greedy government peer pressure fad to change the way a country thinks. Only four years since my £30 a year diesel car was sold, and then it was a good thing to have.....
MarshPhantom said:
That certainly isn't the case in most London.
But most people in London don't own cars.http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
And in London, why would you? The public transport is great.
DaveCWK said:
Lean burn was effectively killed off by the introduction of catalytic converters. To be fair, health wise I'm sure we're all now significantly better off having breathed in 30mpg-worth of catalysed exhaust fumes over the last 30 years rather than 60mpg of uncatalysed.
I did hear rumours that introducing cats was a bit of a scam, as they aren't supposed to be effective until fully warmed up, and that is basically on runs over 30 minutes, and the average UK car run is about 12 minutes to school and back... and the person pushing for cats actually own a cat production company.But there may be some errors in that particular anecdote.
King Herald said:
mabosh said:
Eh? Are you really suggesting that there are more artics on the road than diesel cars?
There are approximately 28 million cars on the road in the UK, I'm guessing 40% to 50% are diesel. There are approximately 120,000 artics.
You think up to 50% of private cars are diesel? Hmmm, I doubt that somehow, but I get your point about artics. I was really thinking of diesel delivery type vehicles, not artics per se.There are approximately 28 million cars on the road in the UK, I'm guessing 40% to 50% are diesel. There are approximately 120,000 artics.
A quick check on our friend google seems to indicate more miles are done by Diesel engine transport vehicles than by petroleum engined cars though, even with a good few less of them.
Which was my point all along, diesel is dominant, and unseating it will take a long, long time. I believe it will take much more than some greedy government peer pressure fad to change the way a country thinks. Only four years since my £30 a year diesel car was sold, and then it was a good thing to have.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
It shows the growth of Diesel
Back in the 80's pretty much most family cars (Ford Cortina for example) you would have to hunt for a diesel option
Here now - try finding a family car sized car like a Passat with a petrol engine
Since 2010 I think diesels car sales have been higher than petrols
powerstroke said:
I think the new tax system will help petrol car sales now road tax is £ 140 regardless ...
Only it's not though, is it. It's £140 baseline plus all sorts of confusing CO2-related and age-related surcharges on top of that, to the extent that you need a qualified Accountant to work out what the actual tax is. King Herald said:
When the current fad loses momentum and they decide the earth is actually cooling.....like they believed 30 years ago.....maybe large V8 cars will become fashionable one again.... 
Why would they? Most people don't drive diesel for low road tax they drive diesel because fuel is £1.20 a litre.V8's are not coming back whilst that remains the case.
ClockworkCupcake said:
powerstroke said:
I think the new tax system will help petrol car sales now road tax is £ 140 regardless ...
Only it's not though, is it. It's £140 baseline plus all sorts of confusing CO2-related and age-related surcharges on top of that, to the extent that you need a qualified Accountant to work out what the actual tax is. Fox- said:
Why would they? Most people don't drive diesel for low road tax they drive diesel because fuel is £1.20 a litre.
Diesel costs more than petrol, so I'm missing your point. 
Where I lived in the Philippines diesel is cheaper than petrol. And the petrol is half the price of the UK....
Fuel of both types is expensive here because the UK government is greedy and they are pretending to save the planet by charging us extra money. Same as the CO2 farce, charge money to save the planet.
However, expecting the government to reduce fuel/car/carbon tax because the planet is going into an ice age is never going to happen. They will simply find another excuse.
King Herald said:
Diesel costs more than petrol, so I'm missing your point.
Only slightly, plus it returns much better fuel economy so works out cheaper per mile. Plus the greater economy means greater range for a given tank size which is also very desirable. The lower VED is a bonus. King Herald said:
Diesel costs more than petrol, so I'm missing your point.
It's a few pence more than petrol and diesel cars use less fuel than the equivalent petrol engined car in the range. This is the primary reason why they are so popular.If fuel was 60p a litre far fewer people would drive diesel powered cars.
B'stard Child said:
Some good info here
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
It shows the growth of Diesel
Back in the 80's pretty much most family cars (Ford Cortina for example) you would have to hunt for a diesel option
Here now - try finding a family car sized car like a Passat with a petrol engine
Since 2010 I think diesels car sales have been higher than petrols
That's mainly because the fleet market which accounts for nearly 70% of new car sales insists on diesel. MPG is a big cost for them and the company car tax being based on emissions affects the end user. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
It shows the growth of Diesel
Back in the 80's pretty much most family cars (Ford Cortina for example) you would have to hunt for a diesel option
Here now - try finding a family car sized car like a Passat with a petrol engine
Since 2010 I think diesels car sales have been higher than petrols
Also the larger cars have got the more suitable diesel has become due to the torque helping move large heavy vehicles.
Unless the trend for SUV & company vehicles reverses then most the new cars will continue to be diesel and as such most used cars will also.
King Herald said:
I did hear rumours that introducing cats was a bit of a scam, as they aren't supposed to be effective until fully warmed up, and that is basically on runs over 30 minutes, and the average UK car run is about 12 minutes to school and back... and the person pushing for cats actually own a cat production company.
There's more than enough documentary evidence floating around from the time to suggest that the mandating of catalytic converters was a stitch-up driven mainly by the oil companies as they knew that (based on scientific knowledge at the time) it would put a cap on engine fuel efficiency as it forced an air/fuel ratio (and therefor efficiency) much lower than lean burn engines would have been capable of.In the decade when lead was being removed from petrol (not a bad thing at all IMO) this was being done to clear the path to cats because the lead would react with the cats and make them inoperative - the fuel companies weren't giving a s
t about the environmental issues as they knew that down the line an 'environmental' development would be obliged to be fitted to all petrol engines that had the side effect of drastically slowing their decline in profits.Fox- said:
It's a few pence more than petrol and diesel cars use less fuel than the equivalent petrol engined car in the range. This is the primary reason why they are so popular.
If fuel was 60p a litre far fewer people would drive diesel powered cars.
And maybe more people would drive large V8 cars again.... which was what I said yesterday......If fuel was 60p a litre far fewer people would drive diesel powered cars.
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