Send the buggers back

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Strocky

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2,630 posts

112 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Strocky

Original Poster:

2,630 posts

112 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Jazzy Jag

3,412 posts

90 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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While I have no time for illegal immigrants, this does seem to be someone picking the "Low hanging fruit".


Surely there are higher priority people who should be sent packing before we even consider this woman?


craigjm

17,912 posts

199 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Strocky said:
How do you prove or disprove that someone is gay as part of an asylum claim? if people know they wont be sent back if they claim they are gay they will all claim they are gay. The issue with Afghan asylum seekers in the UK is that they will have passed through numerous countries classified as safe and signatories to the UN convention. This alone is enough to weaken their claim.

Evanivitch

19,808 posts

121 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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craigjm said:
Strocky said:
How do you prove or disprove that someone is gay as part of an asylum claim? if people know they wont be sent back if they claim they are gay they will all claim they are gay. The issue with Afghan asylum seekers in the UK is that they will have passed through numerous countries classified as safe and signatories to the UN convention. This alone is enough to weaken their claim.
You can't blame them for bit stopping at the first "safe country" if that means a life damned to living in a tent, with no education, no job and no future.

The reality is that the vast majority have stayed in local countries, and only a relatively small number make the expensive, perilous journey to the UK.

(Begrudgingly Wikipedia referenced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_diaspora)

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/02/syr...

fido

16,752 posts

254 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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I'm not saying she doesn't have a case (albeit one based on compassion) but the BuzzFeed article omits the fact that she spent most of her life, and most of her married life in Singapore. A bit of a tough one - but I can see it from both points of view.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

238 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it

craigjm

17,912 posts

199 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Evanivitch said:
craigjm said:
Strocky said:
How do you prove or disprove that someone is gay as part of an asylum claim? if people know they wont be sent back if they claim they are gay they will all claim they are gay. The issue with Afghan asylum seekers in the UK is that they will have passed through numerous countries classified as safe and signatories to the UN convention. This alone is enough to weaken their claim.
You can't blame them for bit stopping at the first "safe country" if that means a life damned to living in a tent, with no education, no job and no future.

The reality is that the vast majority have stayed in local countries, and only a relatively small number make the expensive, perilous journey to the UK.

(Begrudgingly Wikipedia referenced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_diaspora)

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/02/syr...
Im not blaming anyone I would be doing that too but if the government interprets the convention strictly then they have no right to stay.

Evanivitch

19,808 posts

121 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.

Seventy

5,500 posts

137 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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5ohmustang said:
Buzzfeed, really?

Illegal? See ya!
Can you please explain that.

craigjm

17,912 posts

199 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Evanivitch said:
jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.
That simple decision changes their status from potential refugee to economic migrant though

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

152 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Seventy said:
5ohmustang said:
Buzzfeed, really?

Illegal? See ya!
Can you please explain that.
I wouldn't bother asking...thinks that Trump is right about fake news via CNN... rolleyes

dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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There has been petition after petition about this lady. It appears on the surface, shameful.
I only found a bit more out after signing an initial petition some time ago.

Always more than meets the eye.

One petition starts 'After almost 30 years in the UK Irene is told ...(basically to f off!)'
That is not true for starters, of those 30 years she spent at least 10 years back in Singapore - 6 from 1992 to 1998 to look after her mum, then 4 from 2008 to 2012 after returning to look after her dad. And more time there apparently. Who knows?

However, bottom line is I'd prefer some of the scum that currently should be flung out would be preferable to her.

Be interesting to see where this goes.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Is that the full story - she looked after her mum for x year and her dad for y, and now she can't come back because that was too long.

Have the rules evolved during the time she was abroad?

I can't understand why we are deporting people that are & have been married to Brits for years. This is hardly a green card type scam, is it?

What a compassionate place the UK has become.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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But they are cracking down on illegal immigration like we wanted them to do !!! or tinfoil hat on we will show you proles for moaning about our backers cheap labour force ... Now see what you have done .....
its fking st ,people who have made lives here and not caused trouble , But criminal scum claim Human rights and are mollycoddled by the welfare state ...

Evanivitch

19,808 posts

121 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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craigjm said:
Evanivitch said:
jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.
That simple decision changes their status from potential refugee to economic migrant though
How so?

Just because you're leaving a war torn country doesn't mean you've come from poverty. And living in a slum with disease and, again, no future isn't exactly a safe place.

I appreciate there are economic migrants that pass themselves as refugees. But I don't believe for a moment they are a majority.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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This seems a bit harsh too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...

On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.

craigjm

17,912 posts

199 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Evanivitch said:
craigjm said:
Evanivitch said:
jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.
That simple decision changes their status from potential refugee to economic migrant though
How so?

Just because you're leaving a war torn country doesn't mean you've come from poverty. And living in a slum with disease and, again, no future isn't exactly a safe place.

I appreciate there are economic migrants that pass themselves as refugees. But I don't believe for a moment they are a majority.
The UN convention defines a refugee as "someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group" International law has a "safe country concept" which states that you should claim asylum in the "first safe country" and that signatories have the right to return people to a "first safe country" if they feel the application for refugee status has not been submitted in the first safe country.

The nearest signatories to Afghanistan for instance are Iran, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. Interestingly India and Pakistan are not signatories. The UK is quite within its rights therefore to determine that ANY refugee applicant from Afghanistan has crossed through or over these territories and may return them to any of them.

The principle behind the safe country concept is that if you are fleeing persecution you leave to the nearest safe place. As soon as you make a decision such as "being impoverished in the UK would be better than India" you cease to be a potential refugee under international law and become an economic migrant.


craigjm

17,912 posts

199 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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///ajd said:
This seems a bit harsh too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...

On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
But her visa to study in the UK expired when she was 18 so she has been an overstayer for the past three years. The university is at fault here as they have not checked her leave to remain properly.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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craigjm said:
///ajd said:
This seems a bit harsh too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...

On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
But her visa to study in the UK expired when she was 18 so she has been an overstayer for the past three years. The university is at fault here as they have not checked her leave to remain properly.
Maybe there was an on-going dialogue about whether she could stay.

Sending someone who has only known the UK since they were 12 to a civil war torn country seems harsh, let alone after they've done 80% of a degree - whats more the UK economy can always benefit from engineers with a first. It appears her father died adding to the dilemma - if he could stay though, why not his kids?