Send the buggers back

[Mrr T]

andymadmak said:

Mrr T said:

Unlike the brexit buffoons currently leading our exit strategy,

Do you really haver to carry on with this abusive language? Why can you not just debate politely?

I reserve the right to refer to DD, BJ and LF in any way I wish.

I limit its use towards PH posters to the “hard” brexit wing of leave.

I would never use it towards Murph7355 we may disagree but he will discuss reasonably.

[Murph7355]

Mrr T said:

Which is only your opinion.

Unlike the brexit buffoons currently leading our exit strategy, I call it strategy in the loosest terms. It actually makes even less sense than the SNP independence plans. I read those who do real research and publish intelligent posts with real links. I know team leave does not trust experts but that says more about team leave than experts.

The UK white paper is a joke, full of rhetoric, and no real substance.

I speak to a number of people in Europe they are not against the UK leaving but just cannot understand that those leading the leave team seem to know so little about the EU.

To go back to UK emigrants living in the rUK I get the impression TM does not even understand if the UK leaves the EU/EEA their status then falls under 27 different legal jurisdictions. Each might require separate legislation.

Name calling (again. Yawn. Sooooooo 2016) and then you note you believe the SNP independence case is more credible.

For someone who purports to understand numbers and economics, can you not see how much that undermines your position, and how both are setting you out more and more simply as a whinger?

Your arguments add nothing new to what was being spoken of in the run up to June and beyond.

Plenty of those same erudite people you picked up on have done a sizeable volte face in the intervening period as economic data here has defied the critics and political landscapes have been shifting and softening, arguably in our favour.

None of which makes one position definitively right nor wrong still, nor do I intrinsically believe people who I was sure were wrong before. There is two years' worth of negotiation at least to go. We will see.

I'm sure May very much understands the position of the EU and its member states. I'm sure the way she communicated on citizens' rights was calculated. Probably using inputs that you cannot see owing to your bias.

If the EU allowed member states to discuss it then it would be straightforward to arrange a sensible process/principle. The number of member states is irrelevant. This sort of thing is as complicated as you choose to make it, and you seem to favour making it so.

Keep whinging. It provides sporadic amusement. If, in 2yrs, we're at the armageddon you think we will be then I'll doff my cap and tell you, you were right and I made a mistake voting as I did.

I don't expect the same in return. Nor do I need/request it.

BTW... If no arrangement is made for foreign nationals living abroad because it is the hardest thing since man began to walk... So what? There aren't enough of them for it to be a material negotiating point IMO.

[Starfighter]

There is nothing to stop the UK making a determination over EU nationals on our own based in our national interest around employments etc. We may lose the leverage of a reciprocal agreement with the 27 others of EU depending on how we would negotiate but we are now in a position of put the best interests 64 million in the country over 1.2 million living over the Channel.

That said, I would have no idea where would all live if they got sent back home.

[Murph7355]

Mrr T said:

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I would never use it towards Murph7355 we may disagree but he will discuss reasonably.

Stop sounding reasonable - your SNP comment suited my post much better!