EU prepared to cut off free speech...

[Hosenbugler]

Slightly O/T , but in a similar vein, did not some dictatorial nutters not make efforts to have criticism of the global warming scam a criminal offence? ie, saying its nonsense, and your in the dock.

I'm trying to wrack my brains, but its within the past year, and California comes to mind. Ring any bells to anyone?

[oyster]

hyphen said:

ZedLeg said:

So they've updated the rules to reflect how they think their system is being used/abused.

I don't think Farage actually turns up for work enough for it to affect him.

But these are elected MEP's.

If some far right Austrian MEP wants to rant about Jews or Migrants then let him or her get on with it. Set out rules and if he crosses the line then punish him or her accordingly, and leave the video on to allow the public to castigate him and the opposition to condone him.

Turning off the broadcast is only going to bring more notoriety to the individual, and make people seek him out on other platforms.

Free speech isn't having the ability to say ANYTHING to ANYBODY on ANY platform at ANYTIME.

Popularity won't be spread by notoriety either.

[hyphen]

oyster said:

Free speech isn't having the ability to say ANYTHING to ANYBODY on ANY platform at ANYTIME.

Popularity won't be spread by notoriety either.

We are not talking about the bloke on the street speaking...

The House of Commons has 'Parliamentary Privelage' for MPs to say anything they want within it, you appear to want this changed... do you work for Trafigura?

[turbobloke]

oyster said:

Free speech isn't having the ability to say ANYTHING to ANYBODY on ANY platform at ANYTIME.

That's restricted speech and therefore not free speech.

There are laws that curtail 'real' free speech, we know that.

[steveT350C]

Hosenbugler said:

Slightly O/T , but in a similar vein, did not some dictatorial nutters not make efforts to have criticism of the global warming scam a criminal offence? ie, saying its nonsense, and your in the dock.

I'm trying to wrack my brains, but its within the past year, and California comes to mind. Ring any bells to anyone?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/cal...

https://www.bioedge.org/bioethics/is-climate-chang...

[Dindoit]

It's so unfair that our elected officials aren't allowed to have their racist outbursts broadcast. Sad!

[Atomic12C]

Dindoit said:

It's so unfair that our elected officials aren't allowed to have their racist outbursts broadcast. Sad!

Instead those racists may now be able to hide behind a curtain of censorship with their views hidden from critical reply.

[turbobloke]

Atomic12C said:

Dindoit said:

It's so unfair that our elected officials aren't allowed to have their racist outbursts broadcast. Sad!

Instead those racists may now be able to hide behind a curtain of censorship with their views hidden from critical reply.

Exactly.

Better than a pretence even one orchestrated by EU drones, who are hardly paragons of anything.

[turbobloke]

steveT350C said:

Hosenbugler said:

Slightly O/T , but in a similar vein, did not some dictatorial nutters not make efforts to have criticism of the global warming scam a criminal offence? ie, saying its nonsense, and your in the dock.

I'm trying to wrack my brains, but its within the past year, and California comes to mind. Ring any bells to anyone?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/cal...

https://www.bioedge.org/bioethics/is-climate-chang...

There was also an academic backwater fruitloop or two calling for more than free speech to be cut off, heads were going to be cut off. Their uni took the offending webpage down and apologised iirc. At least when they speak out we know where the fruits are and where the nuts are.

[XCP]

hyphen said:

We are not talking about the bloke on the street speaking...

The House of Commons has 'Parliamentary Privelage' for MPs to say anything they want within it, you appear to want this changed... do you work for Trafigura?

You are joking I take it? They can't even mention each other by name or accuse a member of lying without running the risk of getting barred.

[Hosenbugler]

steveT350C said:

Hosenbugler said:

Slightly O/T , but in a similar vein, did not some dictatorial nutters not make efforts to have criticism of the global warming scam a criminal offence? ie, saying its nonsense, and your in the dock.

I'm trying to wrack my brains, but its within the past year, and California comes to mind. Ring any bells to anyone?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/cal...

https://www.bioedge.org/bioethics/is-climate-chang...

Thanks for that , I did a bit of digging after some unexpected free time arrived after I'd hurriedly posted , seems like Federal Govt discussed iot as well, and even got the FBI involved

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter...

And these people call themselves Liberal? Scarey, delusional at the very least.

[Dindoit]

Atomic12C said:

Dindoit said:

It's so unfair that our elected officials aren't allowed to have their racist outbursts broadcast. Sad!

Instead those racists may now be able to hide behind a curtain of censorship with their views hidden from critical reply.

Why are you so desperate to give racists an official platform to speak from?

As for critical reply, have you seen much debate within EU parliament? It's not debate or discourse, it's just members standing up making speeches to get something on YouTube.

[turbobloke]

Dindoit said:

Atomic12C said:

Dindoit said:

It's so unfair that our elected officials aren't allowed to have their racist outbursts broadcast. Sad!

Instead those racists may now be able to hide behind a curtain of censorship with their views hidden from critical reply.

Why are you so desperate to give racists an official platform to speak from?

Can't see any desperation tbh, just some missing of the point and not by A12C.

[mybrainhurts]

Hosenbugler said:

I'm trying to wrack my brains,

Leave me alone, I'm old...

[Lucas Ayde]

ZedLeg said:

Trump wants the opposite of a free press, he wants tame journalists who'll just report whatever he says as if it's fact. Do you know what they call that? I'll give you a clue, it starts with a P.

That's exactly the situation which existed under the Obama administration - he had a nice cushy relationship with the mainstream media. Lots of exclusive tidbits for media outlets that played the game and very little objectivity with respect to reporting.