Heseltine Sacked

[Derek Smith]

Murph7355 said:

With our form of rule I can see why it's there in the HoC, even if I don't agree with it really. But it definitely has no place in the HoL.

Heseltine is so principled he had to have the whip taken off him... Just like people like Soubry are so principled that they won't stand for re-election on their new ticket. Aholes the lot of them.

Heseltine has always been pro European. He was made a lord by those who must have known his beliefs. The strength of the HoL, if it has any, is that those honoured will vote away from party lines. That, I think, is what the HoL does well; albeit on occasion and all too infrequently.

There should be no whip in the HoL. Their lordships should not be burdened with the weight of party affiliations. They should vote on conscience. Like Heseltine or loath him, he's doing what the lordships should do in such cases.

What's miffed the tory party is that he's said what he's going to do in the Euro elections. Can't have a grandee being truthful if it hurts the party.

[85Carrera]

Ridgemont said:

Quite: witness his take down of thatcher tonight:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019/05/20/thatcher...
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That was a staggeringly arrogant and presumptuous comment.

Especially from someone who had to buy their own furniture

[anonymous-user]

I doubt Heseltine gives 2 figs about being ‘sacked’.
Vast numbers of traditional Conservative voters will be following his lead in the coming days, will be great to see the Tories coming nowhere! As they deserve for their self serving Brexit madness.
Did their referendum heal the party ?

[wc98]

markjmd said:

Ayahuasca said:

He is not yesterday’s man, he is last century’s man. Pompous and entitled.

He was a guest speaker at some function I was at years ago - he was clearly pissed as a lord and slurred his way through a speech about brilliant he was.

He will not be missed.

Still probably has more b@lls and backbone than your good self and most of the current Tory front bench combined.

i seem to remember a picture on here of ayahuasca's tent in a south american jungle with lots of big cat footprints around it, doesn't appear to be lacking in either backbone or balls.

[Norfolkit]

Jimboka said:

I doubt Heseltine gives 2 figs about being ‘sacked’.
Vast numbers of traditional Conservative voters will be following his lead in the coming days, will be great to see the Tories coming nowhere! As they deserve for their self serving Brexit madness.
Did their referendum heal the party ?

Oh he cares and cares a lot, it's just another "me, me, shine the spotlight on me" moment of a politician who's best days were 30+ years ago but who can't accept it, he's just trying to create a headline with himself in it, quite sad really but he's too arrogant to see that.

Few if any Tory voters will follow his lead and vote for the Dims, now the Brexit Party is another matter.

[GroundEffect]

hyphen said:

PositronicRay said:

I'd like to see the end of the party whip and have free votes.

Why not the end of parties themselves, and all independents in that case?

My first thought.

Parties don't NEED to exist.

[slow_poke]

wc98 said:

markjmd said:

Ayahuasca said:

He is not yesterday’s man, he is last century’s man. Pompous and entitled.

He was a guest speaker at some function I was at years ago - he was clearly pissed as a lord and slurred his way through a speech about brilliant he was.

He will not be missed.

Still probably has more b@lls and backbone than your good self and most of the current Tory front bench combined.

i seem to remember a picture on here of ayahuasca's tent in a south american jungle with lots of big cat footprints around it, doesn't appear to be lacking in either backbone or balls.

That kind of actually reinforces markjmd's point: the balls and backbone of an intrepid jungle explorer combined with the collective balls and backbones of te current Tory front bench, and still Heseltine has more than that.

[biggbn]

I have always thought heseltine and Clarke to be amongst the most palatable and principled Tories. It is conversely good for May and co and bad for the party/country that they are of an age where they can't have more long term influence on the party. A younger heseltine or Clarke would wipe the floor with the likes of May in any leadership contest.

[Norfolkit]

slow_poke said:

That kind of actually reinforces markjmd's point: the balls and backbone of an intrepid jungle explorer combined with the collective balls and backbones of te current Tory front bench, and still Heseltine has more than that.

Rubbish, he's just an embittered old man who nobody listens to, he can't accept his dreams ended almost 30 years ago, he's just been a peripheral noise since then but still has delusions of importance and they are delusions.

[ATG]

biggbn said:

I have always thought heseltine and Clarke to be amongst the most palatable and principled Tories. It is conversely good for May and co and bad for the party/country that they are of an age where they can't have more long term influence on the party. A younger heseltine or Clarke would wipe the floor with the likes of May in any leadership contest.

Quite. They are representative of the sane wing of the party that actually has the breadth of electoral appeal to delivery majority government. IDS, JRM, David Davis, Boris and the other longstanding darlings of the grassroots membership cannot compete. Pandering to the tastes of the Local Associations will guarantee permanent positions on the opposition benches.

[eldar]

Troubleatmill said:

When did we leave Europe???

In the mind of some, they never joined us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46274390