Brexit Celebrations

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SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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So much to celebrate and celebration season is fast approaching.

Anyone have any plans either for this year or on going? And when?

June 23rd to celebrate the referendum?

The day Article 50 notice is given?

The day we finally complete negotiations?

Nigel Farage's birthday?

All of the above?

mac96

3,715 posts

142 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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SKP555 said:
So much to celebrate and celebration season is fast approaching.

Anyone have any plans either for this year or on going? And when?

June 23rd to celebrate the referendum?

The day Article 50 notice is given?

The day we finally complete negotiations?

Nigel Farage's birthday?

All of the above?
In 5 years' time when we know if it paid off?

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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mac96 said:
In 5 years' time when we know if it paid off?
But he wants to rub remainer's noses in it now....

danllama

5,728 posts

141 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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It says volumes that cretins were on the streets celebrating Thatchers death, but people don't see the joy in leaving the EU, something actually worthy of celebration.

Camoradi

4,285 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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music

"I'm so brexcited...
and I just can't hide it
UK regains control
and I think I like it"

SKP555

Original Poster:

1,114 posts

125 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Self determination and democracy are the pay off. I don't need to wait 5 years and hear how a phone poll of people with an A level in Economics estimate that we could have 2.479% more GDPs if we stayed in.

Rubbing remainers nose in it is a sometimes amusing fringe benefit but I do genuinely think that it was and will be the biggest step forward for democracy and liberty in Europe since the fall of communism and deserves to be celebrated.

mac96

3,715 posts

142 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
mac96 said:
In 5 years' time when we know if it paid off?
But he wants to rub remainer's noses in it now....
I rashly thought OP was being humorous. If serious, the answer is that a celebration would be needlessly divisive. We have enough problems to deal with without that. Let's just get on with it.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I see Brexit like something that just needed to be done.

Celebrating might be inappropriate and risks falling into the same trap as the remoaners, treating it like a personal loss/victory.

There should be no ego invested in the outcome.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Mr GrimNasty said:
I see Brexit like something that just needed to be done.

Celebrating might be inappropriate and risks falling into the same trap as the remoaners, treating it like a personal loss/victory.

There should be no ego invested in the outcome.
This is exactly right.

As a remoaner I think it was the wrong decision, but there we are, the decision has been made and we have to make sure it all goes as well as it can.

The principal reason for any celebration in my opinion is for people who want a personal gloat.

SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I think that's a bit apologetic. I'll bet that in 10 years time fewer than 20% of people will want to rejoin the EU. Probably less than 10%.

I see Brexit as an opportunity for a great national renewal, both in practical terms of improving the way our democracy works and in less tangible terms of renewing our vision of Britain and it's place in the world.

mac96

3,715 posts

142 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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SKP555 said:
I think that's a bit apologetic. I'll bet that in 10 years time fewer than 20% of people will want to rejoin the EU. Probably less than 10%.

I see Brexit as an opportunity for a great national renewal, both in practical terms of improving the way our democracy works and in less tangible terms of renewing our vision of Britain and it's place in the world.
I sincerely hope you are right. But I think such high expectations are likely to lead to disappointment.

I also think that it is very sad that the EU has developed in a way that appears to be leading to its break up after so much initial optimism. That is cause for mourning not celebration, regardless of the rightness of the British decision to leave..

toon10

6,140 posts

156 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
This is exactly right.

As a remoaner I think it was the wrong decision, but there we are, the decision has been made and we have to make sure it all goes as well as it can.

The principal reason for any celebration in my opinion is for people who want a personal gloat.
Couldn't agree more. It's a huge gamble and one I fear will not make us better off but time will tell. As a remainer myself, the decision is made so lets just make the best of it.

I do worry that if in 5 to 10 years we find that our legacy to our kids is one of a weaker country, that blame will be focused more on the government for not getting the right deals rather than those who voted leave. It's a good get out for them I suppose. Anyway, the whole situation has been divisive with family members and friends split up and down the country so lets not go full on gloat and deepen that divide.

Hayek

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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toon10 said:
I do worry that if in 5 to 10 years we find that our legacy to our kids is one of a weaker country, that blame will be focused more on the government for not getting the right deals rather than those who voted leave.
I'm a leaver (always have been).

I don't think we will necessarily be weaker, but I think there is some chance that in 5/10 years we could appear weaker than we seem now. Although I think this could be the case if we had voted to remain, our current prosperity seems to be propped up by debt and low interest rates to me - is it sustainable?

Anyway, having typed the above... yes it is possible that we could be (or appear) weaker in 5/10 years, but my view is that outside of the EU we have to power to try and improve things.

SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Sometimes commitment and enthusiasm are a major factor in making something a success. Brexit seems like just such a situation where limping along thinking that we might have made a mistake will be destructive, making us accept a worse deal with the EU and be less ambitious with the rest of the world, all the while being careful not to upset what I believe is a fairly small number of hardcore remainers who will never be happy with anything and who will pin on Brexit everything that happens in the next 30 years that would have been blamed on Thatcher for the last 30.

If we grab it by the bks and make some radical reforms at home (a proper second chamber, a meaningful bill of rights, a genuinely balanced budget for the long term) and advance a big, global agenda in trade and foreign policy then I think it is far more likely to succeed.

Some flag waving and fireworks on a nice summer's evening should not be seen as a divisive dig at people who thought differently last year but as a positive and inclusive step towards national renewal.

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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The only political decisions that should result in street parties are armistices.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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TTwiggy said:
The only political decisions that should result in street parties are armistices.
Yes, this.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Thirded

SKP555 said:
Some flag waving and fireworks on a nice summer's evening should not be seen as a divisive dig at people who thought differently last year but as a positive and inclusive step towards national renewal.
This only really works when it was something people were broadly united behind in the first place. Maybe 70/30. Or 80/20 even better.

Not 52/48.

DanielSan

18,745 posts

166 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Mr GrimNasty said:
I see Brexit like something that just needed to be done.

Celebrating might be inappropriate and risks falling into the same trap as the remoaners, treating it like a personal loss/victory.

There should be no ego invested in the outcome.
Follow the lead of the PM as it were, she didn't want Brexit but now it's occurring she's doing the right thing in making sure it's done with as much benefit as possible. It's a rare thing to see someone accept democracy now.

SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
Thirded

SKP555 said:
Some flag waving and fireworks on a nice summer's evening should not be seen as a divisive dig at people who thought differently last year but as a positive and inclusive step towards national renewal.
This only really works when it was something people were broadly united behind in the first place. Maybe 70/30. Or 80/20 even better.

Not 52/48.
It wouldn't have been contentious if it had that level of support.


Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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SKP555 said:
Vocal Minority said:
Thirded

SKP555 said:
Some flag waving and fireworks on a nice summer's evening should not be seen as a divisive dig at people who thought differently last year but as a positive and inclusive step towards national renewal.
This only really works when it was something people were broadly united behind in the first place. Maybe 70/30. Or 80/20 even better.

Not 52/48.
It wouldn't have been contentious if it had that level of support.
Precisely. It didn't, so it was!

Which is why a celebration would not produce the lovely harmonious last night of the proms atmosphere you hope for.