Brexit Celebrations

[Jazzy Jag]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Jazzy Jag said:

No. But it could be in our supermarket because of a trade deal that benefits Germany and some other EU members but not the UK.

It could, or it could benefit the UK just as much as Germany and some other EU members.

The UK produces wine too.

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

[PurpleMoonlight]

Jazzy Jag said:

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

We shall see.

[///ajd]

Jazzy Jag said:

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

What, you are sure the way the Single Market is run will definitely benefit the UK once we leave?

You can't have thought this through at all to make such a statement.

[PurpleMoonlight]

///ajd said:

Jazzy Jag said:

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

What, you are sure the way the Single Market is run will definitely benefit the UK once we leave?

You can't have thought this through at all to make such a statement.

He is referring to trade agreements between Uk and ROW.

[///ajd]

PurpleMoonlight said:

///ajd said:

Jazzy Jag said:

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

What, you are sure the way the Single Market is run will definitely benefit the UK once we leave?

You can't have thought this through at all to make such a statement.

He is referring to trade agreements.

I know, but he doesn't seem to register that our biggest one - with the EU - we're about to tear up with signs that any replacement could be worse. From his statements, I just don't think that registers as even a risk or consideration in his thinking. Could be wrong of course, maybe he does realise.

[jonnyb]

PurpleMoonlight said:

///ajd said:

Jazzy Jag said:

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

What, you are sure the way the Single Market is run will definitely benefit the UK once we leave?

You can't have thought this through at all to make such a statement.

He is referring to trade agreements between Uk and ROW.

And even there he's wrong, can you see Trump agreeing to a trade deal that will benefit the UK over the US? How about China, or Russia?

[bitchstewie]

///ajd said:

Exactly

And many of those people think that those who ignored such considerations, and believed the £350m/WTO is fine etc. bullst were duped and have thrown the Nation into a perilous state, being directed by unconvincing extemists like Fox and Davis. Remember not long ago Davis was talking about doing deals with each EU nation. Clueless naive muppet. Why believe him when he says WTO is fine?

They may be proven right though.

That's why I find the whole business so comical in some ways, reminds me a bit of those threads where an aircraft crashes or something and 500 people post their theories and at the end one of them gets to go "I knew it all along, look I said so on page 2" when actually it was little more than a guess.

[Boring_Chris]

bhstewie said:

///ajd said:

That's why I find the whole business so comical in some ways, reminds me a bit of those threads where an aircraft crashes or something and 500 people post their theories and at the end one of them gets to go "I knew it all along, look I said so on page 2" when actually it was little more than a guess.

YES!

This is something that winds me up on an almost daily basis.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and all that.

[jonnyb]

What did you expect when it was such a leap into the unknown?

Who knows who's going to be right or wrong, but it's speculation that keeps message boards like this alive. If you don't like it, why are you here?

[SKP555]

We'll never even actually know if we're better or worse off in economic terms for leaving the EU.

One lesson of the referendum is that the economy wasn't even the deciding factor.

[NJH]

Well this thread kicked off again. I tell you what though the day a deal is signed on residency rights for citizens in each others territory will be well worth celebrating. If and when a decent exit deal and set of bilateral treaties are agreed then that also would be well worth celebrating (assuming of course its a good deal). Until those days there is nothing to celebrate, do we have a national day celebrating the GE day on which Maggie won or the GE day on which Attlee won, nope. Some people frankly need to grow up.

[Boring_Chris]

The very notion is asinine. Presumably being peddled by the same folk who claimed 'we won' when the vote went 'their' way.

I visit Reddit more than PH nowadays. That place is quite left leaning but largely populated by Americans with seemingly a large European user base. The UK was a laughing stock after we voted to leave. If It hadn't been for Trump, they'd still be sniggering at us.

And here we are talking of celebrating... ?

[powerstroke]

///ajd said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

///ajd said:

Jazzy Jag said:

You're right, it could.

But from now on, it definitely will benefit the UK .

What, you are sure the way the Single Market is run will definitely benefit the UK once we leave?

You can't have thought this through at all to make such a statement.

He is referring to trade agreements.

I know, but he doesn't seem to register that our biggest one - with the EU - we're about to tear up with signs that any replacement could be worse. From his statements, I just don't think that registers as even a risk or consideration in his thinking. Could be wrong of course, maybe he does realise.

hmm , so you do know what the UK /EU balance of trade looks like ??? No !!! oh well .... hopefully there will be dock sides filled with stty german and french cars trucks , buses and plant waiting for our government to like the deal ...

[crankedup]

I'm very impressed with the architectural style and flamboyance of the new EU building, the onion. Building fit for purpose, that's the EU demonstrating once again how they can casually waste so much tax payers money. This whilst kids are starving to death in other parts of the World, hypocrites of the highest order. Out of touch with reality of ordinary people's lives whilst ingratiating themselves with a lavish lifestyle paid for by others.

[king arthur]

jonnyb said:

And even there he's wrong, can you see Trump agreeing to a trade deal that will benefit the UK over the US? How about China, or Russia?

So trade deals are a zero sum game in your view?

[Pan Pan Pan]

El stovey said:

cookie118 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I started out wanting the UK to remain part of the EU, but the more research I did into the relationship between the UK and EU since the UK joined the EEC, the more I realized that the UK needed to get out of the EU as fast as it possibly could. It seemed to me, that the only people in the UK who could vote remain, are the limited number of UK nationals who have managed to squeeze their noses into the EU trough, and want to keep them there, at the expense of all the other people in the UK, or those people who for whatever reason simply do not like the UK.

Why is this a constant theme for the brexiteers-that the only people who knew what they were voting on was those who voted to leave? Or that the brexiteers are the only ones not somehow with their noses in the trough-or that they are the only ones that like their country?

This polarised politics is more and more common. Take the guy you quote. One minute he's pro remain. Then he's anti and anyone who held his old view is now a nose in the trough country hater. It's not enough to have a view, you have to be against those with the different position. Even when it's the one you held a few days ago.

It is all down to an activity known as doing some research into the relationship between the EEC/EU and the UK. Until the business of the referendum came up I did not apply too much thought to the UK`s membership of the EU, as (like Cameron) I thought no matter what happened, the EU, and those with vested interests would Gerrymander a remain vote. But the referendum and the run up to it, changed all that. Despite initially wanting the UK to remain a member for personal reasons (incidentally NOT just a few days ago)the more I found out about the relationship between the EEC/EU and the UK, the more I was shocked, that any UK national would want to vote to remain.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 20th March 09:15

[ATG]

SKP555 said:

ATG
Why are you embarrassed that people wanted democratic control? Embarrassed in front of who?

We already had democratic control. It shows an embarrassing lack of understanding to think that we didn't. We've cut our noses off to spite our faces.

[SKP555]

ATG said:

SKP555 said:

ATG
Why are you embarrassed that people wanted democratic control? Embarrassed in front of who?

We already had democratic control. It shows an embarrassing lack of understanding to think that we didn't. We've cut our noses off to spite our faces.

You're embarrassed that other people have a different view from your own of what constitutes satisfactory democratic control?

Who exactly is it that you feel will think less of you for this difference if opinion with your compatriots?

[ATG]

Kermit power said:

One huge positive to come out of it is that our national politicians will no longer have the usually utterly untrue excuse of "we'd like to do something different here, but EU law won't let us".

I can at least agree with this. I think it's a crying shame that they were allowed to trot out that lie unchallenged for so long. I'd have much preferred the Press to have held them to account rather than capitulated in the fiction, but the fantasy that "plucky little Britain is standing up to the foreign bds" is an easy story to sell and less dull than "politicians find it hard to do stuff, because doing stuff is actually really hard".

[ATG]

SKP555 said:

ATG said:

SKP555 said:

ATG
Why are you embarrassed that people wanted democratic control? Embarrassed in front of who?

We already had democratic control. It shows an embarrassing lack of understanding to think that we didn't. We've cut our noses off to spite our faces.

You're embarrassed that other people have a different view from your own of what constitutes satisfactory democratic control?

Who exactly is it that you feel will think less of you for this difference if opinion with your compatriots?

That's right, because they've demonstrated they don't understand the strength of their own democratic system (which means they don't value it) nor do they understand how the EU actually operates.

It makes the UK look foolish in the eyes of anyone with the vaguest interest in economics and global politics. The outcome of the vote was met with a mixture of bemusement, shock and piss-taking from the overwhelming number of my friends and contacts overseas.