Brexit Celebrations
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
its worth celebrating the decline of the "expert" who got nearly everything wrong about a Brexit aftermath.
Toyota only yesterday announcing a £200mil investment in Burnaston. Nobody can predict the future but it will at least be our decisions and not those anchored to a failing Eurozone.
You may want to pause your gloating about Toyota seeing as they said tariff-free access to Europe is vital to the future success of the plant.Toyota only yesterday announcing a £200mil investment in Burnaston. Nobody can predict the future but it will at least be our decisions and not those anchored to a failing Eurozone.
BigMon said:
You may want to pause your gloating about Toyota seeing as they said tariff-free access to Europe is vital to the future success of the plant.
Back in 2000 .. "Toyota threat to quit UK over euro" .. so how did that go? 
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2000/jan/18/e...
SKP555 said:
The decision to leave is cause for celebration on itself.
Well... not for 48% of the population 
In reality, there will be remainers who've changed how they feel. Likewise there will be brexiters who are not so sure now. Either way, some sort of event is not really appropriate. Unless you're the sort of person who likes to deliberately wind people up?SKP555 said:
The best chance of making it work is full and enthusiastic support.
In what way exactly? My day to day life has not changed since the referendum, and I can't anticipate any significant change any time soon. I don't live on a council estate so won't be hanging union jacks outside my home. Am I supposed to skip to work in the morning, safe in the knowledge I'm going to be free of the tyranny of the EU? My support will be to ignore the Farage's birthday was a joke...
Zetec
As above, I don't see why it needs to be divisive.
The decision to leave was divisive primarily because it runs the risk of economic instability. I really didn't hear any other argument gain any serious traction throughout the campaign.
Once we are out and this reason is irrelevant we are left with the reason we voted out, which was largely about democratic self governance.
Economic stability is a good thing, and I would admit that the Leave side were cavalier about this. I certainly was and would have voted Leave on principle at almost any economic cost.
I know there are a few Remain voters who ideologically and emotionally love the EU. However I don't believe that is anything like 48%. Maybe more like 4%.
I am fairly sure that the vast majority of the 48% support the principles of democracy and self determination in abstract, even if they disagree with that particular manifestation of it.
As the pragmatic reasons for not rocking the boat fade away why shouldn't remainers celebrate the fact that people stood up for this principle?
Zetec
As above, I don't see why it needs to be divisive.
The decision to leave was divisive primarily because it runs the risk of economic instability. I really didn't hear any other argument gain any serious traction throughout the campaign.
Once we are out and this reason is irrelevant we are left with the reason we voted out, which was largely about democratic self governance.
Economic stability is a good thing, and I would admit that the Leave side were cavalier about this. I certainly was and would have voted Leave on principle at almost any economic cost.
I know there are a few Remain voters who ideologically and emotionally love the EU. However I don't believe that is anything like 48%. Maybe more like 4%.
I am fairly sure that the vast majority of the 48% support the principles of democracy and self determination in abstract, even if they disagree with that particular manifestation of it.
As the pragmatic reasons for not rocking the boat fade away why shouldn't remainers celebrate the fact that people stood up for this principle?
One thing's for certain: we can finally answer the question posed here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Vocal Minority said:
SKP555 said:
Farage's birthday was a joke...
I know there are a few Remain voters who ideologically and emotionally love the EU. However I don't believe that is anything like 48%. Maybe more like 4%.
really?I know there are a few Remain voters who ideologically and emotionally love the EU. However I don't believe that is anything like 48%. Maybe more like 4%.
Who are they? What do they think? And where were they during the campaign?
I'm not talking about the professionally upset or those who vaguely think it's all a bit jingoistic and maybe racist. Where is the actual positive case for the EU? And who is making it?
SKP555 said:
The decision to leave was divisive primarily because it runs the risk of economic instability. I really didn't hear any other argument gain any serious traction throughout the campaign.
Agreed, although both campaigns had serious flaws. Remain was doom and gloom, Leave should have concentrated more on the self determination aspect rather than fabricating figures.SKP555 said:
Once we are out and this reason is irrelevant we are left with the reason we voted out, which was largely about democratic self governance.
Economic stability is a good thing, and I would admit that the Leave side were cavalier about this. I certainly was and would have voted Leave on principle at almost any economic cost.
This is the attitude which has upset a lot of remainers, especially the younger generation. They want stability so they have more job opportunities, and ultimately prioritise this over who is governing them.Economic stability is a good thing, and I would admit that the Leave side were cavalier about this. I certainly was and would have voted Leave on principle at almost any economic cost.
SKP555 said:
I know there are a few Remain voters who ideologically and emotionally love the EU. However I don't believe that is anything like 48%. Maybe more like 4%.
On what basis have you come up with 4%?SKP555 said:
As the pragmatic reasons for not rocking the boat fade away why shouldn't remainers celebrate the fact that people stood up for this principle?
If people want to celebrate (privately) then that's up to them. But now is certainly not the time to make it any sort of a national event. Too many raw emotions at the moment, there are plenty of people who are struggling to accept it and would see it as another slap in the face.SKP555 said:
I think that's a bit apologetic. I'll bet that in 10 years time fewer than 20% of people will want to rejoin the EU. Probably less than 10%.
I see Brexit as an opportunity for a great national renewal, both in practical terms of improving the way our democracy works and in less tangible terms of renewing our vision of Britain and it's place in the world.
Sounds like the sort of thinking George W Bush had in mind when he declared they'd won the war on terror. Chickens and counting spring to mind...I see Brexit as an opportunity for a great national renewal, both in practical terms of improving the way our democracy works and in less tangible terms of renewing our vision of Britain and it's place in the world.
Maybe the celebrations should wait until after the Scots have decided if they want to stick with England.
It's an unwelcome, but pleasurably ironic thought; imagining the faces of proud Brexiters. Proudly voting leave in the expectation of a revival in the British Empire; only instead being served little England.
Full and enthusiastic support?
Not a f
king chance.
It's an unwelcome, but pleasurably ironic thought; imagining the faces of proud Brexiters. Proudly voting leave in the expectation of a revival in the British Empire; only instead being served little England.
Full and enthusiastic support?
Not a f
king chance. esxste said:
Maybe the celebrations should wait until after the Scots have decided if they want to stick with England.
It's an unwelcome, but pleasurably ironic thought; imagining the faces of proud Brexiters. Proudly voting leave in the expectation of a revival in the British Empire; only instead being served little England.
Full and enthusiastic support?
Not a fking chance.
I was ambivalent on Brexit - I figured there are far greater issues to address, and with many of them, the government needlessly blamed the EU just because it avoided them having to take uncomfortable decisions about things - but if it results in us finally getting shot of the whinging, scrounging millstone round our necks that is Scotland, I'll happily join the OP for his street party! It's an unwelcome, but pleasurably ironic thought; imagining the faces of proud Brexiters. Proudly voting leave in the expectation of a revival in the British Empire; only instead being served little England.
Full and enthusiastic support?
Not a f
king chance. 
Kermit power said:
I was ambivalent on Brexit - I figured there are far greater issues to address, and with many of them, the government needlessly blamed the EU just because it avoided them having to take uncomfortable decisions about things - but if it results in us finally getting shot of the whinging, scrounging millstone round our necks that is Scotland, I'll happily join the OP for his street party!
Why stop there?Why not let the Welsh and Cornish swan off too?
And there's the case that London might as well be it's own country.
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