Brexit Celebrations
Discussion
I do love Brexit - personally I don't think the government have a clue about much and very little in the way of competency so it will probably be a disaster.
Personally I really don't care what happens - successful people will always make a success of any scenario. Blaming way happened or what could be if things went differently is not worth the time thinking about.
As for a celebration - really??
Personally I really don't care what happens - successful people will always make a success of any scenario. Blaming way happened or what could be if things went differently is not worth the time thinking about.
As for a celebration - really??
Kermit power said:
SKP555 said:
ATG
Why are you embarrassed that people wanted democratic control? Embarrassed in front of who?
I don't find the outcome embarrassing, and ultimately I think history will just show is to be the first nation to leave a project that has been doomed since the introduction of the Euro without political union, but I do find many of people's reasons for voting rather embarrassing, as they suggest that I live in a country with many people incapable of actually researching their own facts before taking a decision.Why are you embarrassed that people wanted democratic control? Embarrassed in front of who?
One huge positive to come out of it is that our national politicians will no longer have the usually utterly untrue excuse of "we'd like to do something different here, but EU law won't let us".
cookie118 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I started out wanting the UK to remain part of the EU, but the more research I did into the relationship between the UK and EU since the UK joined the EEC, the more I realized that the UK needed to get out of the EU as fast as it possibly could. It seemed to me, that the only people in the UK who could vote remain, are the limited number of UK nationals who have managed to squeeze their noses into the EU trough, and want to keep them there, at the expense of all the other people in the UK, or those people who for whatever reason simply do not like the UK.
Why is this a constant theme for the brexiteers-that the only people who knew what they were voting on was those who voted to leave? Or that the brexiteers are the only ones not somehow with their noses in the trough-or that they are the only ones that like their country?
Well if this Express story is true it looks like the UK will be getting a 'Brexit Day'.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780209/Brexit-The...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780209/Brexit-The...
don'tbesilly said:
Well if this Express story is true it looks like the UK will be getting a 'Brexit Day'.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780209/Brexit-The...
Cue millions vomiting in a buckethttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780209/Brexit-The...
Interesting to see the view the way some think only a tiny number care about being a cowardly selfish quitter of the EU.
I suspect you'll find the number is higher. A lot higher.
Just as No voters kept their head down to noisy Yes voters in Scotland, I suspect the strident brexiteers here might be surprised what millions of reserved brits really think.
A celebration? It is a national embarrassment, how can you celebrate wanting to be isolationist and wanting to jeopardise your economic wellbeing to achieve what? Sovereignty? It would be funny if it were satire.
///ajd said:
A celebration? It is a national embarrassment, how can you celebrate wanting to be isolationist and wanting to jeopardise your economic wellbeing to achieve what? Sovereignty? It would be funny if it were satire.
Isolationist ???? Hm That's EU membership isn't it ??? Brexit means engagement ,world trade ,looking outward , making deals , adventure and being grown up again , ....
Boring_Chris said:
powerstroke said:
Brexit means engagement ,world trade ,looking outward , making deals , adventure
and being grown up again , ....
Can you flesh this out with examples of how a post-Brexit Britain will be better enabled to do this?and being grown up again , ....
have a nice chat and agree that we would like some wine and the ozzy bloke says we need cars !!!
they both say ok I will just check but this seems fine .. our man forgets for a second thinks o s
t how will i get this past the other 27 then he smiles knowing he doesn't need to and it's done and
he is off to Brazill to do another deal ...
cookie118 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I started out wanting the UK to remain part of the EU, but the more research I did into the relationship between the UK and EU since the UK joined the EEC, the more I realized that the UK needed to get out of the EU as fast as it possibly could. It seemed to me, that the only people in the UK who could vote remain, are the limited number of UK nationals who have managed to squeeze their noses into the EU trough, and want to keep them there, at the expense of all the other people in the UK, or those people who for whatever reason simply do not like the UK.
Why is this a constant theme for the brexiteers-that the only people who knew what they were voting on was those who voted to leave? Or that the brexiteers are the only ones not somehow with their noses in the trough-or that they are the only ones that like their country?Anyone who has done a half decent amount of examination of the relationship between the UK and EU since the UK joined the EEC (Note, the UK had never been given a vote on whether or not it wanted to be a member of the EU until 23rd June 2016) and yet STILL wants the UK to be in the corrupt self serving money grasping EU, is either one of the few UK nationals who have managed to get their noses in the EU trough, or someone who prefers a corrupt, self serving, undemocratic, money grasping, political construct, to their own country.
I think it's very easy to get confused between what people want with the question people were asked.
Most people I know have no time at all for the politics of the EU and all the points mentioned about the "political union".
Ask "Do you STILL want the UK to be in the corrupt self serving money grasping EU?" and they will say no.
Ask "Do you want to risk jobs and the economy?" and without the benefits of a crystal ball many will also say no.
Point being most of them voted remain simply not for more Junckers but because they felt it provided the less uncertainty around the future, particularly financially, which is where it matters for most people.
Most people I know have no time at all for the politics of the EU and all the points mentioned about the "political union".
Ask "Do you STILL want the UK to be in the corrupt self serving money grasping EU?" and they will say no.
Ask "Do you want to risk jobs and the economy?" and without the benefits of a crystal ball many will also say no.
Point being most of them voted remain simply not for more Junckers but because they felt it provided the less uncertainty around the future, particularly financially, which is where it matters for most people.
powerstroke said:
Well we can send a person to say Australia who says we would like to do a trade deal with you ,they
have a nice chat and agree that we would like some wine and the ozzy bloke says we need cars !!!
they both say ok I will just check but this seems fine .. our man forgets for a second thinks o st
how will i get this past the other 27 then he smiles knowing he doesn't need to and it's done and
he is off to Brazill to do another deal ...
I guess all the Australian wine currently in the supermarkets is smuggled in then.have a nice chat and agree that we would like some wine and the ozzy bloke says we need cars !!!
they both say ok I will just check but this seems fine .. our man forgets for a second thinks o s
t how will i get this past the other 27 then he smiles knowing he doesn't need to and it's done and
he is off to Brazill to do another deal ...
powerstroke said:
///ajd said:
A celebration? It is a national embarrassment, how can you celebrate wanting to be isolationist and wanting to jeopardise your economic wellbeing to achieve what? Sovereignty? It would be funny if it were satire.
Isolationist ???? Hm That's EU membership isn't it ??? Brexit means engagement ,world trade ,looking outward , making deals , adventure and being grown up again , ....
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I think it's very easy to get confused between what people want with the question people were asked.
Most people I know have no time at all for the politics of the EU and all the points mentioned about the "political union".
Ask "Do you STILL want the UK to be in the corrupt self serving money grasping EU?" and they will say no.
Ask "Do you want to risk jobs and the economy?" and without the benefits of a crystal ball many will also say no.
Point being most of them voted remain simply not for more Junckers but because they felt it provided the less uncertainty around the future, particularly financially, which is where it matters for most people.
ExactlyMost people I know have no time at all for the politics of the EU and all the points mentioned about the "political union".
Ask "Do you STILL want the UK to be in the corrupt self serving money grasping EU?" and they will say no.
Ask "Do you want to risk jobs and the economy?" and without the benefits of a crystal ball many will also say no.
Point being most of them voted remain simply not for more Junckers but because they felt it provided the less uncertainty around the future, particularly financially, which is where it matters for most people.
And many of those people think that those who ignored such considerations, and believed the £350m/WTO is fine etc. bulls
t were duped and have thrown the Nation into a perilous state, being directed by unconvincing extemists like Fox and Davis. Remember not long ago Davis was talking about doing deals with each EU nation. Clueless naive muppet. Why believe him when he says WTO is fine?Kermit power said:
Anyone else getting visions of the OP getting together a few mates and a massive drum then heading off to march through local Remain-voting areas in a style reminiscent of the Orange Day parades in Northern Ireland? I'm sure he'd be able to do just as much for unity...
Funnily enough I thought the exact same thing myself when this thread first started!I would say in time it might not be a bad shout, but now it just smacks of rubbing peoples noses in it..
HughiusMaximus said:
Funnily enough I thought the exact same thing myself when this thread first started!
I would say in time it might not be a bad shout, but now it just smacks of rubbing peoples noses in it..
I do find the premise of the thread a little strange. I suppose it depends how seriously you take it but my first thought was that it's hardly on a par with Independence Day.I would say in time it might not be a bad shout, but now it just smacks of rubbing peoples noses in it..
The thing that worries me is that the country feels more divided than ever, and things like this will just make it worse.
Mrs May says she wants a united Britain, but how is she going to achieve that with her current stance on leaving the EU and her party's big swing to the right?
Let's not forget that 14.8m voted to stay in the EU let alone leave the single market and the customs union, how do you unite those people with what's happening now?
Somehow I think mounting a Brexit Day on Nigel Farage's birthday won't cut it.
Mrs May says she wants a united Britain, but how is she going to achieve that with her current stance on leaving the EU and her party's big swing to the right?
Let's not forget that 14.8m voted to stay in the EU let alone leave the single market and the customs union, how do you unite those people with what's happening now?
Somehow I think mounting a Brexit Day on Nigel Farage's birthday won't cut it.
jonnyb said:
The thing that worries me is that the country feels more divided than ever, and things like this will just make it worse.
Mrs May says she wants a united Britain, but how is she going to achieve that with her current stance on leaving the EU and her party's big swing to the right?
Let's not forget that 14.8m voted to stay in the EU let alone leave the single market and the customs union, how do you unite those people with what's happening now?
Somehow I think mounting a Brexit Day on Nigel Farage's birthday won't cut it.
Indeed.Mrs May says she wants a united Britain, but how is she going to achieve that with her current stance on leaving the EU and her party's big swing to the right?
Let's not forget that 14.8m voted to stay in the EU let alone leave the single market and the customs union, how do you unite those people with what's happening now?
Somehow I think mounting a Brexit Day on Nigel Farage's birthday won't cut it.
Berlin and the Germanys celebrated reunification and the wall coming down.
Did they celebrate the wall going up in the 1960s? I think not.
jonnyb said:
The thing that worries me is that the country feels more divided than ever, and things like this will just make it worse.
Mrs May says she wants a united Britain, but how is she going to achieve that with her current stance on leaving the EU and her party's big swing to the right?
Let's not forget that 14.8m voted to stay in the EU let alone leave the single market and the customs union, how do you unite those people with what's happening now?
Somehow I think mounting a Brexit Day on Nigel Farage's birthday won't cut it.
The diversion is hardly surprising when you consider that.Mrs May says she wants a united Britain, but how is she going to achieve that with her current stance on leaving the EU and her party's big swing to the right?
Let's not forget that 14.8m voted to stay in the EU let alone leave the single market and the customs union, how do you unite those people with what's happening now?
Somehow I think mounting a Brexit Day on Nigel Farage's birthday won't cut it.
Only 66% of people voted
Roughly half of those voted for anf half against.
So in a random room of people you would have an average 1 in 3 people who go what they wanted.
If that isn't a recipe for division, I don't know what id.
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