Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Silverbullet767 said:
jshell said:
Christ! Now they're putting up Av Speed Cameras on the A90 North of Dundee.
They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.
Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!
That's just asking for more fatal accidents, cruise control set and pay less attention to the roads, or even worse, speed watching without looking where you're going.They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.
Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!
The amount of crossings on that stretch beggars belief. Sort that out if safety is a concern!
But I suppose saving lives doesn't take in fines.
They'll need the fines to pay for any road improvements. I wouldn't say speeding is a particularly rife thing on that road though.
The crossings between Dundee and Perth which were dangerous were upgraded with flyovers etc, and that was a fair few years ago now - just need to get on and sort the next stretch. Although £2m for average speed scameras is a lot cheaper than actually fixing the road layout...
csd19 said:
I posted about this in the Scotland forum, but the whole road is to get cameras, one every 3-4 miles from Aberdeen to Dundee on both sides. Epic.
They'll need the fines to pay for any road improvements. I wouldn't say speeding is a particularly rife thing on that road though.
Do these cameras actually "make" anywhere near enough money to pay for road improvements? - I'd be very surprised if they do. My experience of the A9 is that people stick to the limits, and I am not even sure penalties would cover the original outlay and ongoing running costs.They'll need the fines to pay for any road improvements. I wouldn't say speeding is a particularly rife thing on that road though.
Other than a genuine desire to improve road safety (and I don't think we have had enough experience of the A9 yet to confirm if it works) what other incentive is there for the government? Can't see much other political capital in it, unless it is pressure from the Scottish Greens who the SNP are currently having to be pally with.
wc98 said:
jshell said:
Christ! Now they're putting up Av Speed Cameras on the A90 North of Dundee.
They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.
Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!
the old coast road is a better run once past arbroath anyway,and it will be quicker once there are average speed cameras on the a90 They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.
Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!
i am starting to take an unhealthy dislike to angus robertson .snotty nosed stuck up pretentious t
t .where the hell did he get that accent ? the people that voted for him in moray need to take a long hard look at themselves. him and his cronies are managing to do what decades of being taken for granted by the labour party couldn't do to the people that voted for them,turn them toward the tories.i have spoken to a few people that are seriously considering voting conservative or independent at the next local elections as they have had enough of the snp.will be interesting to see how the local elections pan out.
We NEED to get rid of this Govt that rely on the Watermelons to get their policies through. They are poison!
https://youtu.be/0iDczTCFXes?t=909
Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
percymk4 said:
https://youtu.be/0iDczTCFXes?t=909
Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Not watched it, was it .......................................? Ah but, yeah but no but.......Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Silverbullet767 said:
percymk4 said:
https://youtu.be/0iDczTCFXes?t=909
Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Not watched it, was it .......................................? Ah but, yeah but no but.......Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Regardless of what you think about Scottish independence, it surely makes sense to WAIT until a few years have passed after Brexit and see how things go, rather than have a second referendum pre-Brexit.
Scotland can't 'remain' in the EU if it leaves the UK - the EU made that clear during the first referendum (just a few years ago) and under any circumstance would have to apply (and wait) for membership after they have left the UK. And they are unlikely to be able to manage to properly separate from the UK in the 2 years before the UK leaves the EU, even if there was an independence vote today.
It's just a piece of silly opportunism and is likely to backfire badly.
Scotland can't 'remain' in the EU if it leaves the UK - the EU made that clear during the first referendum (just a few years ago) and under any circumstance would have to apply (and wait) for membership after they have left the UK. And they are unlikely to be able to manage to properly separate from the UK in the 2 years before the UK leaves the EU, even if there was an independence vote today.
It's just a piece of silly opportunism and is likely to backfire badly.
percymk4 said:
Silverbullet767 said:
percymk4 said:
https://youtu.be/0iDczTCFXes?t=909
Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Not watched it, was it .......................................? Ah but, yeah but no but.......Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Do those who raise it, not realise that when entering negotiations you don't "show your hand" or give an indication of what your settlement point will be?
If anyone told Nicky No-Lips what the opening position is, it'd be around Europe faster than a dose of the trots....
Edited by wobert on Thursday 30th March 18:16
s2kjock said:
csd19 said:
I posted about this in the Scotland forum, but the whole road is to get cameras, one every 3-4 miles from Aberdeen to Dundee on both sides. Epic.
They'll need the fines to pay for any road improvements. I wouldn't say speeding is a particularly rife thing on that road though.
Do these cameras actually "make" anywhere near enough money to pay for road improvements? - I'd be very surprised if they do. My experience of the A9 is that people stick to the limits, and I am not even sure penalties would cover the original outlay and ongoing running costs.They'll need the fines to pay for any road improvements. I wouldn't say speeding is a particularly rife thing on that road though.
Other than a genuine desire to improve road safety (and I don't think we have had enough experience of the A9 yet to confirm if it works) what other incentive is there for the government? Can't see much other political capital in it, unless it is pressure from the Scottish Greens who the SNP are currently having to be pally with.
Speeding really isn't the issue on the A90, it's the lack of investment given to redesigning junctions. But of course, once the Greens get cosy with the SNP we were always going to get f
ked over in some way or another under the cloud of bks. Lucas Ayde said:
Regardless of what you think about Scottish independence, it surely makes sense to WAIT until a few years have passed after Brexit and see how things go, rather than have a second referendum pre-Brexit.
Scotland can't 'remain' in the EU if it leaves the UK - the EU made that clear during the first referendum (just a few years ago) and under any circumstance would have to apply (and wait) for membership after they have left the UK. And they are unlikely to be able to manage to properly separate from the UK in the 2 years before the UK leaves the EU, even if there was an independence vote today.
It's just a piece of silly opportunism and is likely to backfire badly.
Sense???? This is politics we're talking about!Scotland can't 'remain' in the EU if it leaves the UK - the EU made that clear during the first referendum (just a few years ago) and under any circumstance would have to apply (and wait) for membership after they have left the UK. And they are unlikely to be able to manage to properly separate from the UK in the 2 years before the UK leaves the EU, even if there was an independence vote today.
It's just a piece of silly opportunism and is likely to backfire badly.
57 Chevy said:
dro said:
said:Murph7355 said:
tim0409 said:
dro said:
said: Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?
If you look at the breakdown of the 2014 result and compare it against the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation (SIMD) they are remarkable similar.There are hundreds of reasons why Scottish Independence is a dumb idea for Scotland. There is no need to insinuate anything as above and doing so risks a backlash.
Silverbullet767 said:
jshell said:
Christ! Now they're putting up Av Speed Cameras on the A90 North of Dundee.
They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.
Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!
That's just asking for more fatal accidents, cruise control set and pay less attention to the roads, or even worse, speed watching without looking where you're going.They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.
Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!
The amount of crossings on that stretch beggars belief. Sort that out if safety is a concern!
But I suppose saving lives doesn't take in fines.
Then again some on that road are just bad drivers.
petition.parliament.co.uk said:
UK wide referendum to get rid of all devolved parliaments.
The entire population of the UK should have a referendum to abolish devolved parliaments (national assemblies). In 2004 according to the daily telegraph it cost £650 million a year to run. It causes division and friction. We should have a choice to go back to one inclusive parliament.
The entire population of the UK should have a referendum to abolish devolved parliaments (national assemblies). In 2004 according to the daily telegraph it cost £650 million a year to run. It causes division and friction. We should have a choice to go back to one inclusive parliament.
Hayek said:
petition.parliament.co.uk said:
UK wide referendum to get rid of all devolved parliaments.
The entire population of the UK should have a referendum to abolish devolved parliaments (national assemblies). In 2004 according to the daily telegraph it cost £650 million a year to run. It causes division and friction. We should have a choice to go back to one inclusive parliament.
The entire population of the UK should have a referendum to abolish devolved parliaments (national assemblies). In 2004 according to the daily telegraph it cost £650 million a year to run. It causes division and friction. We should have a choice to go back to one inclusive parliament.
The only way the devolved parliaments/assemblies will work with the UK is if the secessionist urge is clipped. Otherwise we'll stumble from one constitutional challenge to another. Sooner or later the U.K. will have to embrace federalism.
Ridgemont said:
How jolly. How stupid. Pandora's box has been opened. You can't stuff the plagues back in.
The only way the devolved parliaments/assemblies will work with the UK is if the secessionist urge is clipped. Otherwise we'll stumble from one constitutional challenge to another. Sooner or later the U.K. will have to embrace federalism.
The only way the devolved parliaments/assemblies will work with the UK is if the secessionist urge is clipped. Otherwise we'll stumble from one constitutional challenge to another. Sooner or later the U.K. will have to embrace federalism.
MikeT66 said:
Shame it wasn't her resignation....percymk4 said:
https://youtu.be/0iDczTCFXes?t=909
Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Has the section 30 order been accepted already?Mike Russell being asked straight up, "which currency would an independent Scotland have?".
Three guesses what the answer was.
Splendid, let the campaigning commence, should be a cakewalk this time for Indy, what with all the tired snowflake anti democratic unionists, probably won't get out of bed on ballot day, the poor dears
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