Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
Maybe they can't be arsed with pricks making comments like that.
Childish and factually baseless.
Are you Donald Trump?
Alpacaman said:
GoneAnon said:
I,for one, remain committed to independence but have stopped responding on these threads because of the bile and abuse that pours forth frm the Unionists.
Already in just the first 8 pages of this new volume we are seeing unpleasent nameplates and attacks for no reason other than some people hold independent views.
Are you really surprised? Considering the vile abuse heaped on Unionists in the run up to the last referendum and pretty much every day since. I, for one, can fully understand the growing anger from them. Whilst I would never try and claim Unionists were perfect they weren't the ones that wanted a vote, they had it forced on them and then, when they thought it was over for a generation, it turned out that even the day after the vote that it was starting again. And pretty much every day since we have had more nonsense from the snp about another vote. Already in just the first 8 pages of this new volume we are seeing unpleasent nameplates and attacks for no reason other than some people hold independent views.
Also the fact that the snp seem to have no answers to any of the big economic questions even now seems utterly crazy and that we should somehow accept that everything will somehow be OK based on the utter mess they are making of running Scotland at the moment. The fact that none of you seem able to see the harm you are doing to Scotland, why would any Company invest in Scotland with the chance of referendum after referendum until they get the answer they want. And then what? An utterly divided country competing against the rest of the UK and the EU? And anyone who dares question this is somehow talking Scotland down.
So if you are worried about bile and abuse I suggest you look at many of your fellow nationalists, starting from the top, and understand why, after nearly 5 years of putting up with it, many of us have had enough and are starting to get angry about it.
Even that fact we are now divided into Unionists and Nationalists is utterly stupid.
Edited by Alpacaman on Saturday 18th March 18:33
We didn't want the bloody vote, it was dumped on us by what was and is, a useless s
te government determined to write their name in history.They had years to come up with a proper accounted plan. What did we get?
Bulls
t and lies. EU membership? Really. Do we need to go back round this after the links on the last thread showing it to be lies. Currency? First the pound was a millstone round our necks, then it was going to be shared as it was ours too. What is the plan this week? Make up our own? Tie us to the UK pound but have no control over interest rates? Genius.
Costing? What was it? £250 million to fully set up everything and have it all sorted in just over 18 months?
Yet somehow, taking on 15% of benefits can't be done till 2020 because it's complex...
HOW THE f
k IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? How can any indy voter sit down, read that, and think " aye, that's fking brilliant and totally fine" 18 months to make a new government, 3 years to take on 15% extra of 1 department...If you are willing to not only believe that, but vote for it. You're a f
king idiot. We are fed up of having this s
te hammered down our throats, Scotland is a bitter divided country because of this ste, all the while, what actually matters is being left to rot and ruin.Education? Posters are having to pay their own money to cover tutors to make up the shortage because of the failed education efforts. Our schools are 2.5 years behind those in England. 150,000 fewer places for higher education. f
k them! Independence matters more than making sure the next generation of Scotland have the best possible start in this world. The wee runt herself said so.Police? Health, Transport, farming.. All suffering.
Business investment is dropping, employment is lagging behind the UK.
Take a guess why...
We have had enough, we will not standby and let you ruin this country and poison relations with our closest neighbours just so some a
holes can put their name in history. We had our once in a generation vote. It's over. fk off and ruin the country or fk off and let someone else do it better. mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
You are either a racist or an idiot.FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
Maybe they can't be arsed with pricks making comments like that.A.J.M said:
Alpacaman said:
GoneAnon said:
I,for one, remain committed to independence but have stopped responding on these threads because of the bile and abuse that pours forth frm the Unionists.
Already in just the first 8 pages of this new volume we are seeing unpleasent nameplates and attacks for no reason other than some people hold independent views.
Are you really surprised? Considering the vile abuse heaped on Unionists in the run up to the last referendum and pretty much every day since. I, for one, can fully understand the growing anger from them. Whilst I would never try and claim Unionists were perfect they weren't the ones that wanted a vote, they had it forced on them and then, when they thought it was over for a generation, it turned out that even the day after the vote that it was starting again. And pretty much every day since we have had more nonsense from the snp about another vote. Already in just the first 8 pages of this new volume we are seeing unpleasent nameplates and attacks for no reason other than some people hold independent views.
Also the fact that the snp seem to have no answers to any of the big economic questions even now seems utterly crazy and that we should somehow accept that everything will somehow be OK based on the utter mess they are making of running Scotland at the moment. The fact that none of you seem able to see the harm you are doing to Scotland, why would any Company invest in Scotland with the chance of referendum after referendum until they get the answer they want. And then what? An utterly divided country competing against the rest of the UK and the EU? And anyone who dares question this is somehow talking Scotland down.
So if you are worried about bile and abuse I suggest you look at many of your fellow nationalists, starting from the top, and understand why, after nearly 5 years of putting up with it, many of us have had enough and are starting to get angry about it.
Even that fact we are now divided into Unionists and Nationalists is utterly stupid.
Edited by Alpacaman on Saturday 18th March 18:33
We didn't want the bloody vote, it was dumped on us by what was and is, a useless s
te government determined to write their name in history.They had years to come up with a proper accounted plan. What did we get?
Bulls
t and lies. EU membership? Really. Do we need to go back round this after the links on the last thread showing it to be lies. Currency? First the pound was a millstone round our necks, then it was going to be shared as it was ours too. What is the plan this week? Make up our own? Tie us to the UK pound but have no control over interest rates? Genius.
Costing? What was it? £250 million to fully set up everything and have it all sorted in just over 18 months?
Yet somehow, taking on 15% of benefits can't be done till 2020 because it's complex...
HOW THE f
k IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? How can any indy voter sit down, read that, and think " aye, that's fking brilliant and totally fine" 18 months to make a new government, 3 years to take on 15% extra of 1 department...If you are willing to not only believe that, but vote for it. You're a f
king idiot. We are fed up of having this s
te hammered down our throats, Scotland is a bitter divided country because of this ste, all the while, what actually matters is being left to rot and ruin.Education? Posters are having to pay their own money to cover tutors to make up the shortage because of the failed education efforts. Our schools are 2.5 years behind those in England. 150,000 fewer places for higher education. f
k them! Independence matters more than making sure the next generation of Scotland have the best possible start in this world. The wee runt herself said so.Police? Health, Transport, farming.. All suffering.
Business investment is dropping, employment is lagging behind the UK.
Take a guess why...
We have had enough, we will not standby and let you ruin this country and poison relations with our closest neighbours just so some a
holes can put their name in history. We had our once in a generation vote. It's over. fk off and ruin the country or fk off and let someone else do it better. Heartworm said:
Exactly, both sides are guilty of this, but on pistonheads it seems the unionists are the ones with the constant shouting /swearing and insults, there is no point in getting to have a discussion with people purely interested in venting frustration.
This is true. I was a no voter in 2014 and if there were another referendum I can't see that changing, but sitting in an echo chamber listening to cries of "THEY'RE ALL BAD AND WRONG" isn't helping anything - frankly it'd just end up being more of a shock if t'other side won, then the denial starts.but but but......
mikal83 said:
2000 GTV said:
mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
You are either a racist or an idiot.Calling a jock a sweaty. Really. Taff to much, paddy condescending, frog, oh la la. westcountryman janner, norfolk people tractor boys...............scousers.....geordies..brummies........
Having said that, to a lot of Scotts, the term English is derogatory enough nowadays
Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 18th March 19:41
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
Maybe they can't be arsed with pricks making comments like that.El stovey said:
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
Maybe they can't be arsed with pricks making comments like that.mikal83 said:
El stovey said:
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
FN2TypeR said:
mikal83 said:
The SNP has a lot of supporters in sweatyland. I am assuming that there are a few PHers up north. Are they hiding? Why aren't they standing up for what they believe in. Probably 95% + of the posts here take the piss out of wee Jimmy and her sidekick at Westminster.....c'mon, don't be afraid.
Maybe they can't be arsed with pricks making comments like that.http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/sweaty_...
Tryke3 said:
8 months after the EU referendum we still dont have a plan, seems everyone is quite happy with that so why should the scots have a ironclad plan when one is not needed.
If Scotland were a colony 5000 miles away I wouldn't care what those imbeciles running the SNP did. Unfortunately the train wreck that would be an SNP independent Scotland would end up being bailed out by rUK. Idiots who have no comprehension of how they will pay for the loss of the Barnet subsidy, what currency they would use and how they will survive a hard border and likely consumer boycott by their BIGGEST export market exasperate me. I don't believe most people in rUK want to see the Scots suffer, but that sorn off witch and lying Salmond are driving division within our small island and in all probability lead an iScotland to bankruptcy. The fact that you are unable to grasp the difference between a UK brexit, from a Scotland flouncing out of a very successful union, speaks volumes for your understanding of economics - you are a typical SNP voter God help them.
s2art said:
Tryke3 said:
8 months after the EU referendum we still dont have a plan, seems everyone is quite happy with that so why should the scots have a ironclad plan when one is not needed.
But we do have a plan, albeit the detail is still being worked on. The SNP have been trying for independence for decades and still cant answer basic questions 'such as what currency and how to get there?' “You don’t need pieces of paper with a number on it to make an economic assessment.”
When asked if british citizens would get free healthcare in the eu, he replied with
“I have not looked at that one.”
When asked if financial services would lose passporting rights to trade in the EU?
“I expect so, that’s an area of uncertainty.”
And the best one
What happens if we get a bad deal
“Haven't looked into it yet.”
You were saying about a plan ?
Edited by Tryke3 on Sunday 19th March 00:08
NoNeed said:
Great interview! I hope Scotland wakes up to the absurdity of the SNP positionNoNeed said:
Something about showing their cards comes to mindTryke3 said:
s2art said:
Tryke3 said:
8 months after the EU referendum we still dont have a plan, seems everyone is quite happy with that so why should the scots have a ironclad plan when one is not needed.
But we do have a plan, albeit the detail is still being worked on. The SNP have been trying for independence for decades and still cant answer basic questions 'such as what currency and how to get there?' “You don’t need pieces of paper with a number on it to make an economic assessment.”
When asked if british citizens would get free healthcare in the eu, he replied with
“I have not looked at that one.”
When asked if financial services would lose passporting rights to trade in the EU?
“I expect so, that’s an area of uncertainty.”
And the best one
What happens if we get a bad deal
“Haven't looked into it yet.”
You were saying about a plan ?
Edited by Tryke3 on Sunday 19th March 00:08
s2art said:
Tryke3 said:
s2art said:
Tryke3 said:
8 months after the EU referendum we still dont have a plan, seems everyone is quite happy with that so why should the scots have a ironclad plan when one is not needed.
But we do have a plan, albeit the detail is still being worked on. The SNP have been trying for independence for decades and still cant answer basic questions 'such as what currency and how to get there?' “You don’t need pieces of paper with a number on it to make an economic assessment.”
When asked if british citizens would get free healthcare in the eu, he replied with
“I have not looked at that one.”
When asked if financial services would lose passporting rights to trade in the EU?
“I expect so, that’s an area of uncertainty.”
And the best one
What happens if we get a bad deal
“Haven't looked into it yet.”
You were saying about a plan ?
Edited by Tryke3 on Sunday 19th March 00:08
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