Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[r11co]

contango said:

Today sturgeon has seen the need to sign a declaration of economic collaboration with Bavaria. That should help keep them in Europe?

It really is quite desperate.

Meanwhile, it seems Gerald Warner agrees with my assessment.

Geral Warner said:

The SNP needs to divest itself of unnecessary political controversies if it is to survive.

The same could be said of any governing party, but the SNP has hamstrung itself by its pre-2014 strategy of promising everything to everyone (how can the White Paper promise a fossil-fuel rich economy while at the same time claiming to be at the forefront of international climate change reduction measures, for example?)

There are good reasons to hold-off on another referendum that Sturgeon will find difficult to counter without sounding reckless and petulant, and all the while the clock ticks on their record in government. Sillars and MacAskill are correct - Sturgeon should be working on being a shining beacon of competence so that they can easily justify being in charge of a post-Brexit independent Scotland, instead of appearing to be in a rush to get over the line before they get found out.

Edited by r11co on Friday 24th March 17:39

[FN2TypeR]

r11co said:

It really is quite desperate.

Meanwhile, it seems Gerald Warner agrees with my assessment.

Edited by r11co on Friday 24th March 17:29

Opinion polling sadly suggests otherwise

[r11co]

FN2TypeR said:

Opinion polling sadly suggests otherwise

Huh?

[gazapc]

r11co said:

Meanwhile, it seems Gerald Warner agrees with my assessment.

The quote in that article is priceless. God forbid anyone should criticise the SNP.

said:

Robinson: “Why spend money on that when your own A&E target you are missing and have done for a long time?”

Campbell: “I understood I was here to talk about the very positive announcement of allowing couples who are desiring to have a family to get access to three cycles.”

[FN2TypeR]

r11co said:

FN2TypeR said:

Opinion polling sadly suggests otherwise

Huh?

I meant at Holyrood, not indy.

[FN2TypeR]

gazapc said:

r11co said:

Meanwhile, it seems Gerald Warner agrees with my assessment.

The quote in that article is priceless. God forbid anyone should criticise the SNP.

said:

Robinson: “Why spend money on that when your own A&E target you are missing and have done for a long time?”

Campbell: “I understood I was here to talk about the very positive announcement of allowing couples who are desiring to have a family to get access to three cycles.”

That's a fking blinder and no mistake, it's true too - they get an unbelievably easy ride in the press, apart from English, Nazi, Tory, BBC Satan like creature Nick Robinson of course.

Nick: "So Alex, how is this going to work exactly, what's the crack my good man?"

Idiots: "BLASPHEEEEEEEMER!"

[r11co]

FN2TypeR said:

I meant at Holyrood, not indy.

I don't think there's been a proper poll since Sturgeon has her Indyref 2 press conference, but I'm damned sure that the 'A vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence' believing people vowed there and then never to believe another word Nippy said. It might not be many people, but the 'promise everyone everything' pigeons will come home to roost as each little promise to each little group is broken.

Next stop, fracking.

[750turbo]

FN2TypeR said:

gazapc said:

r11co said:

Meanwhile, it seems Gerald Warner agrees with my assessment.

The quote in that article is priceless. God forbid anyone should criticise the SNP.

said:

Robinson: “Why spend money on that when your own A&E target you are missing and have done for a long time?”

Campbell: “I understood I was here to talk about the very positive announcement of allowing couples who are desiring to have a family to get access to three cycles.”

That's a fking blinder and no mistake, it's true too - they get an unbelievably easy ride in the press, apart from English, Nazi, Tory, BBC Satan like creature Nick Robinson of course.

Nick: "So Alex, how is this going to work exactly, what's the crack my good man?"

Idiots: "BLASPHEEEEEEEMER!"

Do you not feel that people up here (I am in Ayrshire) are not getting just a wee bit hacked off with this now, it seems to be constantly reported, not like she has bugger all else to worry about.

[FN2TypeR]

r11co said:

FN2TypeR said:

I meant at Holyrood, not indy.

I don't think there's been a proper poll since Sturgeon has her Indyref 2 press conference, but I'm damned sure that the 'A vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence' believing people vowed there and then never to believe another word Nippy said. It might not be many people, but the 'promise everyone everything' pigeons will come home to roost as each little promise to each little group is broken.

Next stop, fracking.

This is a big problem IMO, I do wonder if these cries of wanting a second referendum will hurt their polling figures - I know plenty of people who vote SNP that voted No (most probably would again, too), I wonder if they are getting sick of this pish, it wouldn't surprise me at all - but where do they go at the ballot box?

Scottish Lib Dems and Scottish Labour are both absolutely pants and many wont vote for Ruth and Co on principle.

[r11co]

FN2TypeR said:

Scottish Lib Dems and Scottish Labour are both absolutely pants.

Even Kezia Dugdale is managing to sound more stately than anyone in the SNP these days. It would seem she has finally found her motivation.

I got a facebook message from a relative (by marriage) who is a lost-to-the-cause trascendental secessionist and he was banging on still about Better Together and 'project fear'.

Ironically, I think that the opposition parties not uniting under one banner to fight the seperatists should another referendum come along (as Labour and the Conservatives have already confirmed will be the case) will be a harder force for the SNP to fight against, having to argue on separate fronts policy issues pushed by each group, as it will deconstruct their ability to present themselves once again as the one-size-fits-all solution.

[Anglade]

It looks like the GERS figures - such an integral part of the 2014 White Paper - aren't playing ball this time round so the YES campaign will be discrediting them.

It seems like the party line will just be 'we don't know what the economic situation will be'; as this worked for Brexit.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/oil-rev...

[dromong]

Simple fact is Sturgeon has shot herself in the foot over the last couple of months, in fact blown both of them to minced particles, she is on a massively steep slope that has been greased with super slip moly. Scottish people have seen right through her.

The only good that will come out of Indyref2 is that it will be the end of her. Bring it on Weasel face.

[Einion Yrth]

Unfair, weasel's are quite cute, in a pointy sort of a way.

[NoNeed]

SNP radio interview.

As long as we are better than Englans it doesn't matter how crap we are, is what I take from this, oh and it's an affront to question the SNP.
Skip to 52:20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08j99mg

[FN2TypeR]

r11co said:

FN2TypeR said:

Scottish Lib Dems and Scottish Labour are both absolutely pants.

Even Kezia Dugdale is managing to sound more stately than anyone in the SNP these days. It would seem she has finally found her motivation.

I got a facebook message from a relative (by marriage) who is a lost-to-the-cause trascendental secessionist and he was banging on still about Better Together and 'project fear'.

Ironically, I think that the opposition parties not uniting under one banner to fight the seperatists should another referendum come along (as Labour and the Conservatives have already confirmed will be the case) will be a harder force for the SNP to fight against, having to argue on separate fronts policy issues pushed by each group, as it will deconstruct their ability to present themselves once again as the one-size-fits-all solution.

It'll definitely help Labour avoid the oh so popular "red Tory" smear, which is a damaging and largely untruthful statement - lets face it, the Tories are doing quite well with their unionist stance but they'll struggle to get into a position where they can pose a credible threat to the SNP in terms of getting their hands on Government, it'd have to be a grand unionist coalition of some kind, but to do that the SNP support would still have to drop waaaaaay off.

Would any party other than the Greens realistically work with the SNP in a coalition or supply/confidence agreement? I'm thinking not, but politics does make for strange bedfellows.

[dromong]

Its true though ,the only positive that will come out of the current attempt at independence will be the downfall of Sturgeon. She started out looking like a viable first minister but has fallen catastrophically with mainly herself to blame.

One thing that riles me to the core is her saying to other countries "come to Scotland", that is a total slap in the face to the Scottish majority that said No the last time, our opinion doesn't count so she wants Scotland filled with people from other countries and to give them the right to vote, because she see's that as the means to getting her blinkered obsessional dream.

She cares nothing for Democracy when it interferes with her agenda and will go to any length's to get what SHE wants, democratic or not, against the wishes of the majority or not, fairly or unfairly, she doesn't give a damn how its gotten, as long as its gotten.

Sorry Ms Nasty Traitor but we the people of Scotland are sussing you out big time, your days are numbered.

[Alpacaman]

Sturgeon reminds me of one of those stage hypnotists, that hypnotise people to suddenly start acting like a chicken when a certain word or phrase is said. In her case the words are generally "Tories" "Hard Tory brexit" "against Scotlands will" "Westminster" or something about a "cliff edge". It always used to be "our oil" but that one doesn't seem to get used as much now, but as soon as she says her key phrase the nationalists start squawking. I think the problem is people are getting sick of seeing the same act over and over again and they are getting bored of it now.

[contango]

Next week we can expect the snp with their green (?) coalition puppets to vote for the next independence referendum in the shortbread senate.
This will be the day before May invokes article 50. It seems evident the PM will repeat, now is not the time for another vote ahead of the brexit discussions.

What I am getting to, is that if through negotiation, or a deal involving payment, we end up with some form of access to the single market, what next for the snp?

[FN2TypeR]

contango said:

Next week we can expect the snp with their green (?) coalition puppets to vote for the next independence referendum in the shortbread senate.
This will be the day before May invokes article 50. It seems evident the PM will repeat, now is not the time for another vote ahead of the brexit discussions.

What I am getting to, is that if through negotiation, or a deal involving payment, we end up with some form of access to the single market, what next for the snp?

They claim that they forced the hand of the evil Tory pig dog and bask in the pseudo glory.

[B'stard Child]

FN2TypeR said:

contango said:

Next week we can expect the snp with their green (?) coalition puppets to vote for the next independence referendum in the shortbread senate.
This will be the day before May invokes article 50. It seems evident the PM will repeat, now is not the time for another vote ahead of the brexit discussions.

What I am getting to, is that if through negotiation, or a deal involving payment, we end up with some form of access to the single market, what next for the snp?

They claim that they forced the hand of the evil Tory pig dog and bask in the pseudo glory.

Pretty much that ^

And then say that what they want is for Scotland to be a free and inclusive country and that Free Movement is what the people of Scotland voted for and demand a referendum on leaving the Union

Substitute absolutely anything related to leaving the EU for "Free Movement" above because I'm not exactly a good guesser when it comes to the skanky witch's machinations