Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[amusingduck]

NoNeed said:

Can anybody explain to me why "Now is not the time" for a referendum. Surely the triggering of article 50 means Scotland is leaving the EU and their manifesto didn't say but but but we must wait to see the deal.


May should say OK have a referendum in May.

You've got it backwards IMO. The real question is "Have the SNP justified another referendum at this point in time?".

The answer is they have not, and cannot. There simply is not a strong enough argument, no matter how much she bangs on about it (instead of actually running the country).

[danllama]

Yesterday I had a daydream about a scenario where we all woke up to an announcement from T.May that she was letting go of Scotland, (no referendum etc just doing it) it was quite an interesting thought.

What do people think would happen if that suddenly happened? She just said, OK, have your way, get on with it?

[Smollet]

danllama said:

Yesterday I had a daydream about a scenario where we all woke up to an announcement from T.May that she was letting go of Scotland, (no referendum etc just doing it) it was quite an interesting thought.

What do people think would happen if that suddenly happened? She just said, OK, have your way, get on with it?

They'd st themselves. Instant independence. No currency. No support

[AstonZagato]

Given that they ran a mile from full fiscal autonomy (very strange for a "country" that thinks it can be independent), I think you're right.

[r11co]

Smollet said:

They'd st themselves. Instant independence. No currency. No support.

This. Absolutely, followed impotent wailing and bile from the Nats about how they weren't consulted about the decision (I genuinely believe they would still complain about it).

[danllama]

Funny, I concluded the same. And on that basis I'd love to see it happen!

[wobert]

Chirp, chirp, chirp she goes from the sidelines.....

The same could be said regarding Scottish independence, no clue on currency, no clue on central bank, no clue on eligibility to join the EU.....

Swap the word Brexit for Independence...

[jacobingonzo]

Been watching BBC Parliament all afternoon- have to say every question tabled by SNP MP's asks the same themed question around the right of the Scottish people to have a say- ie indeyref2- now I know it is an important point but I am sure their constituents have other points of concern regarding Brexit??

[anonymous-user]

wobert said:

Chirp, chirp, chirp she goes from the sidelines.....

The same could be said regarding Scottish independence, no clue on currency, no clue on central bank, no clue on eligibility to join the EU.....

Swap the word Brexit for Independence...

Just came here to post the same as above. Every time Sturgeon moans about Brexit, the same..in fact worse(!) applies to Scottish Independence. Like independence isn't a leap in the dark? We don't know what currency we'll have, or rather probably end up using the Euro after a long drawn out re-entry to the EU, oh wait we don't know if that will happen either.

There's even little things that we currently take for granted - like number plates? Will they be the same as rest of UK? Will we still use DVLA? If not how we going to pay for that? They don't know. Oh, and licences? And all that is one tiny strand of a big ball of 'leap in to the dark' ....

It comes to something when logic that Nicola uses an arguemebt can be disproved by a fking 10 year old. The SNP really are a bunch of fking wkers

[57 Chevy]

The good news about all this is that more people are seeing the SNP for what they are. There was a news reporter on TV this morning in Edinburgh, he hadn't been able to find anyone in the street who actually wanted another referendum right now. I'm noticing a shift of social media too, the silent majority aren't so quiet these days.

[Starfighter]

Polls since The Poison Dwarf sprung her trap have shown steady support for independence but an increase in undecideds moving to remain.

[technodup]

57 Chevy said:

I'm noticing a shift of social media too, the silent majority aren't so quiet these days.

Yep, there were Scotland in Union folk in Victoria Road on Saturday, the heart of Sturgeon's constituency.

I assume they're Tory/Labour/Better Together folk doing it all again but it was good to see them mobilised so early, and in the lion's den. I don't remember much BT activity locally last time around.

It would be quite something if in spite of (or because of) all their pish the second referendum secured a reduction in the indy vote.

[FN2TypeR]

57 Chevy said:

The good news about all this is that more people are seeing the SNP for what they are. There was a news reporter on TV this morning in Edinburgh, he hadn't been able to find anyone in the street who actually wanted another referendum right now. I'm noticing a shift of social media too, the silent majority aren't so quiet these days.

But will this reflect in their Holyrood and Westminster polling? I know a lot of people who were no voters (and almost certainly would be again) that still vote SNP, this needs to change if this is going to get put on the back burner (it'll never disappear).

Me thinks no, sadly.

[57 Chevy]

Well there are council elections in May we will see if there is any change

[blade runner]

FN2TypeR said:

But will this reflect in their Holyrood and Westminster polling? I know a lot of people who were no voters (and almost certainly would be again) that still vote SNP, this needs to change if this is going to get put on the back burner (it'll never disappear).

Then, to be frank, they only have themselves to blame. The SNP have made it abundantly clear recently that they only care about independence. If a lot of 'no' voters remain happy to have a one-issue party (and that one-issue being one they don't even agree with) running their country into the ground, then more fool them.

[Dicky Knee]

blade runner said:

FN2TypeR said:

But will this reflect in their Holyrood and Westminster polling? I know a lot of people who were no voters (and almost certainly would be again) that still vote SNP, this needs to change if this is going to get put on the back burner (it'll never disappear).

Then, to be frank, they only have themselves to blame. The SNP have made it abundantly clear recently that they only care about independence. If a lot of 'no' voters remain happy to have a one-issue party (and that one-issue being one they don't even agree with) running their country into the ground, then more fool them.

One of the issues facing Scottish voters is that socialist leaning voters have a choice between the SNP and Labour which for a great many isn't much of a choice. So reducing the SNP's influence would mean for some constituencies a tactical vote for the Lib-Dems or Conservatives.....

[technodup]

FN2TypeR said:

I know a lot of people who were no voters (and almost certainly would be again) that still vote SNP

Throw them in the fking sea. They're the fannies that caused this whole mess in the first place.

[r11co]

FN2TypeR said:

I know a lot of people who were no voters (and almost certainly would be again) that still vote SNP.

Remind them of this.

[finnie]

Just why are the SNP going nuts today, they knew May was going to do this today. Its just tiring.

All parties, the SNP especially need to listen to what they are asking and think about if they know the answer if SNP/Conservative and UK/EU independence were switched round!!!!

Pot and kettle springs to mind.

[Patrick Bateman]

technodup said:

FN2TypeR said:

I know a lot of people who were no voters (and almost certainly would be again) that still vote SNP

Throw them in the fking sea. They're the fannies that caused this whole mess in the first place.

I know of one at work but he's fked off with them now and wouldn't vote for them again. Anyone dead against a referendum that votes SNP in the council elections coming up is a damn fool.