Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[jshell]

Christ! Now they're putting up Av Speed Cameras on the A90 North of Dundee.

They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.

Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!

[williamp]

amusingduck said:

NoNeed said:

Can anybody explain to me why "Now is not the time" for a referendum. Surely the triggering of article 50 means Scotland is leaving the EU and their manifesto didn't say but but but we must wait to see the deal.


May should say OK have a referendum in May.

You've got it backwards IMO. The real question is "Have the SNP justified another referendum at this point in time?".

The answer is they have not, and cannot. There simply is not a strong enough argument, no matter how much she bangs on about it (instead of actually running the country).

...and if thers is a referendum to break up the UK, then the UK should vote on it. Not just one bit which looks like they might leave

[jshell]

williamp said:

...and if thers is a referendum to break up the UK, then the UK should vote on it. Not just one bit which looks like they might leave

I'm totally against splitting the Union, and even I know that's a dumb fking point you've just made...

[Chim]

jshell said:

williamp said:

...and if thers is a referendum to break up the UK, then the UK should vote on it. Not just one bit which looks like they might leave

I'm totally against splitting the Union, and even I know that's a dumb fking point you've just made...

It is a stupid comment. To be honest, there is almost no chance of the SNP winning a vote and they know it. It was obvious that May would say no to it, Nippy was counting on it in fact. She gets to wave her flag and keeps the sycophants turning up to cheer her. The biggest irony for me is that the 62% that voted to stay in the EU are most likely the same people that voted to stay in the UK. The SNP knuckle dragging idiots want out of the EU just slightly less than they want out of the EU. In fact if you read their boards they actually believe that Nippy is playing all of this to make sure that they get out of both.

[tim0409]

I was watching the Daily Politics today and the SNP MP was arguing about how they would fight to get control of agriculture/fisheries once they are repatriated from the EU. Andrew Neil asked why he was so keen to get the powers back if they want to then give them straight back to the EU. The SNP chap didn't have a convincing answer which neatly illustrates their ridiculous posturing.

[dromong]

Ruth Davidson must be utterly despised by the Turdyin, I have never voted Conservative and not their greatest supporter but Ruth is in a league of her own, echelons above any SNP politicians in her smartness, a serious contender for Scottish first Minister if ever there was one.

Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?, or is it just me , "No" Supporters in general from what I have seen appear to have a bit more finesse.

[tim0409]

dro said:

Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?

If you look at the breakdown of the 2014 result and compare it against the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation (SIMD) they are remarkable similar.

[GoneAnon]

dro said:

Ruth Davidson must be utterly despised by the Turdyin, I have never voted Conservative and not their greatest supporter but Ruth is in a league of her own, echelons above any SNP politicians in her smartness, a serious contender for Scottish first Minister if ever there was one.

Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?, or is it just me , "No" Supporters in general from what I have seen appear to have a bit more finesse.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15187833.Ruth_Davidson_urged_to_apologise_after_mocking_accent_of_SNP_MSP_amid_heated_debate/
Don't know why this link won't work.

Try this one.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/784948/Ruth-David...


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/gallery/clashes-in-ge...

Edited by GoneAnon on Wednesday 29th March 22:51

Edited by GoneAnon on Wednesday 29th March 22:53

[wc98]

jshell said:

Christ! Now they're putting up Av Speed Cameras on the A90 North of Dundee.

They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.

Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!

the old coast road is a better run once past arbroath anyway,and it will be quicker once there are average speed cameras on the a90
i am starting to take an unhealthy dislike to angus robertson .snotty nosed stuck up pretentious tt .where the hell did he get that accent ? the people that voted for him in moray need to take a long hard look at themselves. him and his cronies are managing to do what decades of being taken for granted by the labour party couldn't do to the people that voted for them,turn them toward the tories.

i have spoken to a few people that are seriously considering voting conservative or independent at the next local elections as they have had enough of the snp.will be interesting to see how the local elections pan out.

[NoNeed]

More of that civic nationalism

[Welshbeef]

Mr-B said:

williamp said:

I tend to detest all politicians, but I make the exception for Ruth Davidson, whom I have a lot of time for.

As an aside, if Scotland do leave the union, should we charge them £50bn???

Nah, £51bn

Mind you how would they pay it? GBP, Scottish Pounds, Euros

Well £50billion is a drip in he ocean to what Scotland owe rUK.
Fact is they owe at least £200bilkion based on their share of national debt - then we have the commitments they have signed up to which need to be paid.

So wouldn't that make Debt to GDP 400% ish?

In some ways if it's a nasty BREXIT Scotland will see exactly what happens in such a Yes vote because it will be exactly the same arguement. I'd love to see May say no share of assets no payment (but that will be utterly destroyed and thus the Alec Salmond line suddenly is proven to be dead in the water).

[FamousPheasant]

May should allow a second referendum but on the basis Scotland is given a clear choice in options, or in other words a 3 way referendum:

-Should Scotland Stay in the UK?
-Should Scotland leave the UK and apply for European membership?
-Should Scotland leave the UK and the Eu?

Naturally the SNP would hate this as it would shred their thinly veiled nationalist unity and split the independence vote but it would also provide a clear picture of the will of the Scottish people.

[DocJock]

NoNeed said:

More of that civic nationalism

So it will be back to vandalising postboxes again?

[Murph7355]

tim0409 said:

dro said:

Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?

If you look at the breakdown of the 2014 result and compare it against the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation (SIMD) they are remarkable similar.

You need to be careful with this reasoning. The key question is "so what?"

There are hundreds of reasons why Scottish Independence is a dumb idea for Scotland. There is no need to insinuate anything as above and doing so risks a backlash.

[dromong]

Murph7355 said:

tim0409 said:

dro said:

Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?

If you look at the breakdown of the 2014 result and compare it against the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation (SIMD) they are remarkable similar.

You need to be careful with this reasoning. The key question is "so what?"

There are hundreds of reasons why Scottish Independence is a dumb idea for Scotland. There is no need to insinuate anything as above and doing so risks a backlash.

I am from the Roy Walker school of observation.... Say what you see.

[57 Chevy]

dro said:

Murph7355 said:

tim0409 said:

dro said:

Has anyone else noticed that most "mouthy" indy supporters..like those gathered outside Holyrood yesterday appear to be like "rough council scheme" types, dressed in hoodies and striped jogging bottoms and very much lacking in eloquent speech?

If you look at the breakdown of the 2014 result and compare it against the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation (SIMD) they are remarkable similar.

You need to be careful with this reasoning. The key question is "so what?"

There are hundreds of reasons why Scottish Independence is a dumb idea for Scotland. There is no need to insinuate anything as above and doing so risks a backlash.

I am from the Roy Walker school of observation.... Say what you see.

The reason it becomes important, as discussed on this thread before, is that it is actually in the interest of the SNP to keep unemployment up and education down.

[Silverbullet767]

jshell said:

Christ! Now they're putting up Av Speed Cameras on the A90 North of Dundee.

They are the epitome of control freakery, 1984 here we come.

Anyone voting for this pile of shyte needs their heids looked!

That's just asking for more fatal accidents, cruise control set and pay less attention to the roads, or even worse, speed watching without looking where you're going.

The amount of crossings on that stretch beggars belief. Sort that out if safety is a concern!

But I suppose saving lives doesn't take in fines.

[r11co]

57 Chevy said:

it is actually in the interest of the SNP to keep unemployment up and education down.

I agree. The SNP's project is essentially Munchausen-by-Proxy on a grand scale.

[finnie]

Had a thought about national debt and Scotlands Vote for the Uk.

SNP want an equal vote in the EU decision. Correct?

Well lets see if SNP want to have a quarter of the national debt? Oh but Scotland only has 5% of the UK population, lets settle for that then. Um well that means you only get 5% of the EU vote.....Hmmm lets just stamp our feet and wail.

[gofasterrosssco]

Looks like the majority of Scots want the same EU deal across the UK..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/nicola-...