London should become a city state if there's a hard Brexit
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danllama said:
Where did I say I dislike my hometown 'so much"?
I simply said its unfortunate that I live here, as I'm much happier in rural and coastal areas, which has only transpired as I've got older. That doesn't mean I dislike London. Being in London is like being in a relationship. There are good and bad days.
I'd like to leave London though, if someone could help me find a job on the South/Cornish coast i'd be eternally grateful.
On a serious point, anywhere near the coast in the south west is a life of two halves. The life in Winter and the life in Summer. The former (IMHO) is the better, except of course for the weather. The Summer has the better weather of course, as half the world knows , they know because half that world desends upon the place , with the problems that brings, in short , it becomes all too often, a nightmare. I did look very hard at the edges of Truro (The only City I know of I could cheerfully live in/close too. )as with a half decent boat, you can get to the coast without going near the roads. I simply said its unfortunate that I live here, as I'm much happier in rural and coastal areas, which has only transpired as I've got older. That doesn't mean I dislike London. Being in London is like being in a relationship. There are good and bad days.
I'd like to leave London though, if someone could help me find a job on the South/Cornish coast i'd be eternally grateful.
I spent part of my working life tied (because of work) to the city i was born in (Peterborough), as soon as my situation chamged I was out the dump, tout sweet. My honest view, is that being near a reasonable sized Town can be beneficial , being actually in it, not so. Aside Truro, as said, I don't know of a city I'd live in, even if I was paid to , urban s
t tips, London in a league of its own awfulness, in some ways I'm angry with myself for not getting out of P'boro earlier, but you cannot always get things right.Sometimes as well, what appears to be a great place to live , turns out not to be the case. I lived in Stamford for a few years, beautiful town, but the traffic can be all too often a right nightmare and , there is/was a lot of trouble in the town centre at nights. I've only lived in 2 places I'd freely live in again , where I am now and the other fenland village I lived in prior to here. Both times on the edge of a village several miles outside the nearest town. Life easy, quiet, no trouble, virtually crime free. Cheap taxi ride if your wanting hustle and bustle, can't beat it.
Hang on.
Maybe the Remainers got one thing right here.
The problem was never Brussels but the way our London based civil service gold plated their regulations, and our London centric enforcers policed them.
So cut out London and we'll have cheap wine, BMWs and holidays like we always wanted and make the rules up as we go along like our more enlightened neighbours. We'll put parliament in Liverpool and the supreme court on a broken parking meter in Hull.
Win win for this dimwitted old provincial xenophobe.
Maybe the Remainers got one thing right here.
The problem was never Brussels but the way our London based civil service gold plated their regulations, and our London centric enforcers policed them.
So cut out London and we'll have cheap wine, BMWs and holidays like we always wanted and make the rules up as we go along like our more enlightened neighbours. We'll put parliament in Liverpool and the supreme court on a broken parking meter in Hull.
Win win for this dimwitted old provincial xenophobe.
sidicks said:
But the 'Reminers' would have been very clear that there wouldn't be another vote for 10+ years, if at all!
As someone who, from your posts, I take to be very keen on facts I'm curious why you've posted something that is utter conjecture?Thought this entire thread is so ridiculous I'm not surprised.
...give me farkin' strengthBigMon said:
sidicks said:
But the 'Reminers' would have been very clear that there wouldn't be another vote for 10+ years, if at all!
As someone who, from your posts, I take to be very keen on facts I'm curious why you've posted something that is utter conjecture?Thought this entire thread is so ridiculous I'm not surprised.
IroningMan said:
FN2TypeR said:
Trexthedinosaur said:
Excellent and we have resident passes, anyone who wishes to leave London and visit the charming countryside will be charged 500% more, let's be honest, no one goes to London who doesn't work / live in there other than for a short weekend.
Cut the train tracks
Ground the airports
Block the internet
What a ridiculous notion, why draw the line at London, my street voted remain, or me and my two neighbours did why cant we vote to remain in the EU?
Democracy gives everyone a vote and you cant throw your toys out of the pram because your side did not win, we support the general consensus of the majority, is that not the whole purpose of democracy?
Only if it goes your way it seems.Cut the train tracks
Ground the airports
Block the internet
What a ridiculous notion, why draw the line at London, my street voted remain, or me and my two neighbours did why cant we vote to remain in the EU?
Democracy gives everyone a vote and you cant throw your toys out of the pram because your side did not win, we support the general consensus of the majority, is that not the whole purpose of democracy?
Turnip munching, large hut (up north so cheap remember dwelling remain voter!
can't deny the power and allure of London, a friend of mine and his girlfriend moved there from Manchester after being stuck on ~£20k p/a each in their jobs and unable to get wage rises.
within 2 years they are on £60k and £70k a year (employed by the same company but relocated to the southern branch)
of course it's impacted their social life and the commute takes up a chunk of their days but I found it impressive to witness.
within 2 years they are on £60k and £70k a year (employed by the same company but relocated to the southern branch)
of course it's impacted their social life and the commute takes up a chunk of their days but I found it impressive to witness.
sidicks said:
Do you honestly think that if the vote had been for 'Remain', they would have agreed to a regular review / future referendum on the decision? Many of them were of the opinion that the referendum shouldn't have happened in the first place (in case we got the 'wrong' answer)...
We shall never know, that is the point.However, using an equal amount of conjecture, do you think if the vote had been for 'Remain', they (meaning Farage and his ilk) would have just accepted the decision and shrugged their shoulders......
BigMon said:
We shall never know, that is the point.
However, using an equal amount of conjecture, do you think if the vote had been for 'Remain', they (meaning Farage and his ilk) would have just accepted the decision and shrugged their shoulders......
Of course not, and why should they? They certainly wouldn't have Ben expecting an immediate repeat of the referendum!However, using an equal amount of conjecture, do you think if the vote had been for 'Remain', they (meaning Farage and his ilk) would have just accepted the decision and shrugged their shoulders......
JawKnee said:
ITT. Brexiters pissing their pants at the thought that their countrymen no longer want to be associated with them.
Cutting off supplies? Haha dream on. We'll have free, open trade with the biggest trading block in the world like we do now.
i think what you'd actually get would be a city state like dubai wanting no eu meddling in its principal activity of money laundering and asset protection for the worlds wealthy. the communist EU junta hates the city of london with a vengeance for its lassaiz faire attitudes so being reduced to nothing more than a merchants of venice state tax haven for the ultra rich, your negotiating hand with the socialist states of europe would make the Scots look like they were holding a nt flush in comparison. Cutting off supplies? Haha dream on. We'll have free, open trade with the biggest trading block in the world like we do now.
Paris and Frankfurt are having a fapping frenzy over who gets Euro clearing trade, the collective tax authorities would love to see an end to their super rich stashing their wealth in london property, Paris considers itself to be Londons cultural superior, Milan the fadhion superior and Berlin wants the tech. The assumption that the eu are in anyway going to miss London is a little misguided having been a mercantile thorn in the side of every other nations capital since the Britush Navy first put to sea.
Without the UK London would be seen as a financial leech sucking tax revenue out of the EU - at best it would be a s
t version of Dubai.i'd support it becoming a city state - economically the rest of the UK could become more competetive - without the inflationary effects on cists of living by the FSI the rest of the UK could devalue its currency to make manufacturing as competitive as Slovakia and without the need to manyain AAA starus for the city could operate fiscal policy that suited the needs of being a low wage cost centre. London could operate as some sort of Hong Kong. Both London and the UK would ultimately be better off since its impossible to balance an economy that has diverged so much between one city and the rest of the country.
Maybe they could just divide it up - London takes the home counties and diwn to brighton, Wales taxes the midlands and west country, the Scots everything north of birmingham and let the polish have norfolk.
okgo said:
Its probably a good thing it doesn't appeal to everyone otherwise those that want to be among it would have more people to compete with for the jobs.
well yes, but given the numbers in London and the surrounding.... it appeals to a hell of a lot of people. Nearly everyone who I know who lives there now, didn't originally and they have moved. Some from quite far afield. It does have draw for many many people.oyster said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
MrBrightSi said:
Im only a "Little englander" from the midlands, but do people in the Capital really have head so far up arse?
I don't rave about my little section of sherwood forest to myself, even if it is peaceful and close to nature, yeah a bit run down but overall to me it pisses all over the city.
What i don't understand is how self inflated living in some urban sprawl is and that those who don't live in some horrible hipster city that claims its somehow multicultural but the best of London we get up here is the young lad's obsession with inner city gang crime, grime and drugs. Must be great going to the trendy bars in such an urban hell hole.
I don't mind London for a visit. Some great things to see and do. Some grim bits, some nice bits, some bits full of people who don't live on planet earth. But on the whole, no real appeal (though oddly, I like HK and NYC, equally busy and yet, not really a problem, but they seem to cope with masses of people much better).I don't rave about my little section of sherwood forest to myself, even if it is peaceful and close to nature, yeah a bit run down but overall to me it pisses all over the city.
What i don't understand is how self inflated living in some urban sprawl is and that those who don't live in some horrible hipster city that claims its somehow multicultural but the best of London we get up here is the young lad's obsession with inner city gang crime, grime and drugs. Must be great going to the trendy bars in such an urban hell hole.
I'd have given myself a brain aneurysm by now trying to drive or travel to work down there and I'd be flat broke after paying all my money for a cupboard under the stairs. Friend of mine pays a small fortune for a train season pass. Never gets a seat, spends the day working, travelling, sleeping. Thats it. No time for anything else. All to pay a mortgage on a modest house with a ridiculous price.
Floats peoples boats. Not mine. No skin off my nose though.
You do realise how expensive it is to live in NYC don't you?
Thing is, I could see myself living there. I could have a job that paid enough to do it and I would enjoy it. I can't say the same about London. No idea why. And yes, they were holidays, but my "holidays" are not really holidays in the traditional sense...some tourist stuff gets done of course, but as I know people in both places I get to do the things someone living there does and experience the places properly. Normally I need an actual holiday once I get back!
I'm just reading elsewhere that sturgeon says Scotland's future should be decided by those that live there, and not imposed upon it.
So what is the population of London vs. Scotland?
Why not give Mercia a vote whether to re establish it's Kingdom?
However, to try and economically ringfence and separate London's economy from the rest of the Uk would be frankly impossible, so not really worth talking about.
You could let the GLA tinker with taxes abit, make them a recognised assembly like NI and Wales, but it would only be a token gesture.
I don't think that London and the rest of the Uk are so fundamentally different that they need to be administered by completely different bodies. And it's ironic that many of London's issues (expensive housing, over crowded transport etc) exist despite a perceived London bias by Westminster.
So what is the population of London vs. Scotland?
Why not give Mercia a vote whether to re establish it's Kingdom?
However, to try and economically ringfence and separate London's economy from the rest of the Uk would be frankly impossible, so not really worth talking about.
You could let the GLA tinker with taxes abit, make them a recognised assembly like NI and Wales, but it would only be a token gesture.
I don't think that London and the rest of the Uk are so fundamentally different that they need to be administered by completely different bodies. And it's ironic that many of London's issues (expensive housing, over crowded transport etc) exist despite a perceived London bias by Westminster.
We've already done this topic. I know because I started it!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=160...
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