London should become a city state if there's a hard Brexit
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This concept is so utterly mental, it stands up to even less scrutiny that Scotland buggering off.
London exists the way it does to a significant extent because it makes sense to centralise lots of stuff rather than trying to cover the whole country equally. London is a success because of the UK as much as because of London, the two aren't isolated from each other simply because they're different.
London is a million miles away from being self sufficient, not just in food, water, electricity, security and other important things, but also in being able to deliver the services that the whole thing is built upon. What happens when your legal and financial firms can no longer farm out work to the provinces, as happens left right centre now? Deals go elsewhere. Who is going to deal with London when it's completely land-locked by a hostile foreign country that's had it's electricity and internet cut off? Are the EU going to send their army in?
The whole thing would be a complete mess for both sides, but let's not pretend that London would just ride it out as the Capital of the World. Pull the other one!
London exists the way it does to a significant extent because it makes sense to centralise lots of stuff rather than trying to cover the whole country equally. London is a success because of the UK as much as because of London, the two aren't isolated from each other simply because they're different.
London is a million miles away from being self sufficient, not just in food, water, electricity, security and other important things, but also in being able to deliver the services that the whole thing is built upon. What happens when your legal and financial firms can no longer farm out work to the provinces, as happens left right centre now? Deals go elsewhere. Who is going to deal with London when it's completely land-locked by a hostile foreign country that's had it's electricity and internet cut off? Are the EU going to send their army in?
The whole thing would be a complete mess for both sides, but let's not pretend that London would just ride it out as the Capital of the World. Pull the other one!
paulrockliffe said:
This concept is so utterly mental, it stands up to even less scrutiny that Scotland buggering off.
London exists the way it does to a significant extent because it makes sense to centralise lots of stuff rather than trying to cover the whole country equally. London is a success because of the UK as much as because of London, the two aren't isolated from each other simply because they're different.
London is a million miles away from being self sufficient, not just in food, water, electricity, security and other important things, but also in being able to deliver the services that the whole thing is built upon. What happens when your legal and financial firms can no longer farm out work to the provinces, as happens left right centre now? Deals go elsewhere. Who is going to deal with London when it's completely land-locked by a hostile foreign country that's had it's electricity and internet cut off? Are the EU going to send their army in?
The whole thing would be a complete mess for both sides, but let's not pretend that London would just ride it out as the Capital of the World. Pull the other one!
Indeed, and what proportion of those City workers live outside of London - how would that work?!London exists the way it does to a significant extent because it makes sense to centralise lots of stuff rather than trying to cover the whole country equally. London is a success because of the UK as much as because of London, the two aren't isolated from each other simply because they're different.
London is a million miles away from being self sufficient, not just in food, water, electricity, security and other important things, but also in being able to deliver the services that the whole thing is built upon. What happens when your legal and financial firms can no longer farm out work to the provinces, as happens left right centre now? Deals go elsewhere. Who is going to deal with London when it's completely land-locked by a hostile foreign country that's had it's electricity and internet cut off? Are the EU going to send their army in?
The whole thing would be a complete mess for both sides, but let's not pretend that London would just ride it out as the Capital of the World. Pull the other one!
A thread like this one was started in the aftermath of the vote. The reactions were funny then, they are still funny now.
Electricity, the internet, water. Quite simply London will buy them. Farming out work? If rouk doesn't want work, simply farm it somewhere else. As for the rest of the UK subsidising London, lol.
It'll obviously never happen, but to think that London wouldn't be able to go 'alone' is naive.
Electricity, the internet, water. Quite simply London will buy them. Farming out work? If rouk doesn't want work, simply farm it somewhere else. As for the rest of the UK subsidising London, lol.
It'll obviously never happen, but to think that London wouldn't be able to go 'alone' is naive.
AC43 said:
I only posted this as a wind up. There is a crude form of logic in there in that "If Sturgeon can do that, why can't London can do this?".
The logical falls down of course in that Sturgeon can't actually do anything whip her supporters whipped up into righteous indignation.
But it is interesting to see the series of viewpoints being expressed down here by people who are obviously sick of the lack of proper debate in parliament.
Even though this one is clearly one sandwich short of the full picnic.
Brexit still feels like something being done to London, not chosen and Davis's pathethic inability to put forward a plan for hard Brexit last week is deeply concerning.
Oh well, it will happen and hopefully we'll come through the other side relatively unscathed.
I work in London and was resident there up to 6yrs ago. So I'm familiar with its charms. The logical falls down of course in that Sturgeon can't actually do anything whip her supporters whipped up into righteous indignation.
But it is interesting to see the series of viewpoints being expressed down here by people who are obviously sick of the lack of proper debate in parliament.
Even though this one is clearly one sandwich short of the full picnic.
Brexit still feels like something being done to London, not chosen and Davis's pathethic inability to put forward a plan for hard Brexit last week is deeply concerning.
Oh well, it will happen and hopefully we'll come through the other side relatively unscathed.
However those who voted Remain in both London and Scotland need to quit thinking the world revolves around them. It doesn't.
48% of the country voted to remain. Thus far I don't recall hearing monumental moaning from Northern Ireland. Or Gibraltar.
As we were through the last 40yrs,and would have been had we voted Remain we are all in this together as one United Kingdom. The 48% whining about "you must consider us in the deal" need to get a grip and realise that the government need to consider ALL of us, and just because a subset of the 48% are shouting loudest does not mean their "needs" are more important. Quite the opposite. They are a vocal minority.
We have to have faith that the government will be doing its best to get the best deal for the country. All 100% of us. Not 52%. Not 48%. All of us.
You may not like the decision. You may think it too risky. I thought a lot of stuff done between 1997 and 2010 was s
te. That's how the cookie crumbles in the sort of democracy we have. None of the doom laden predictions have come to pass thus far. There is still no hard evidence that any of the future ones will. Indeed a lot of the "senior" commentators have back pedalled faster than an Italian general and the EU landscape is changing daily - to think voting Remain was a vote for the status quo was foolhardy in the extreme. Jawknee thinks The Netherlands rejected "populism". They did not. Support for it INCREASED and unless the EU changes radically it will continue to do so across the EU. We had exactly the same here with UKIP. Give the other nations a decade and let's see where we are.
Meanwhile we need to see how the negotiations go and all be supportive of each other. There are a view "Ultra" Remainers who are being far more divisive than any Leave voter ever has been at present. That won't help anyone, especially the 48%. There's a world of opportunity waiting. We must seize rather than feel sorry for ourselves.
jjlynn27 said:
A thread like this one was started in the aftermath of the vote. The reactions were funny then, they are still funny now.
Electricity, the internet, water. Quite simply London will buy them. Farming out work? If rouk doesn't want work, simply farm it somewhere else. As for the rest of the UK subsidising London, lol.
It'll obviously never happen, but to think that London wouldn't be able to go 'alone' is naive.
The bit you're missing is that there is no infrastructure to allow anything into or out of London without the consent of the rUK. London would starve in a week without that consent. Electricity, the internet, water. Quite simply London will buy them. Farming out work? If rouk doesn't want work, simply farm it somewhere else. As for the rest of the UK subsidising London, lol.
It'll obviously never happen, but to think that London wouldn't be able to go 'alone' is naive.
Lets keep it simple; how is London going to access the internet? Physically I mean, not who is it going to buy it from. I'm sure France would love to sell London all these things, but the stuff still has to be moved to London somehow and the money needs to go the other way.
On buying in services, where are all the English Law experts outside of London? Here's a clue, they're not in France or Germany.
How do you see the deal with the rUK that gives the required access, what price would you put on it? And how does that compare to your idea of how much London currently subsidises the rUK?
Of course London could go it alone in theory, but the practicalities on the ground are that it can't. Best case London would carry on doing it's own thing and would carry on paying for the rUK as it pays inflated prices for everything. Is that independence? Is that really any different?
don'tbesilly said:
JawKnee said:
whoami said:
Not for much longer.
London will eventually rejoin or a deal will be cut so that we can continue practically unchanged. This city is hugely successful largely thanks of its membership of the EU. Londoners won't stand for their city taking a hit because a bunch of Little Englanders don't like Johnny foreigner.
Repeating it just makes it funnier, well done.
paulrockliffe said:
The bit you're missing is that there is no infrastructure to allow anything into or out of London without the consent of the rUK. London would starve in a week without that consent.
Lets keep it simple; how is London going to access the internet? Physically I mean, not who is it going to buy it from. I'm sure France would love to sell London all these things, but the stuff still has to be moved to London somehow and the money needs to go the other way.
On buying in services, where are all the English Law experts outside of London? Here's a clue, they're not in France or Germany.
How do you see the deal with the rUK that gives the required access, what price would you put on it? And how does that compare to your idea of how much London currently subsidises the rUK?
Of course London could go it alone in theory, but the practicalities on the ground are that it can't. Best case London would carry on doing it's own thing and would carry on paying for the rUK as it pays inflated prices for everything. Is that independence? Is that really any different?
If London would starve within a week, how long would you give the rest of UK without London?Lets keep it simple; how is London going to access the internet? Physically I mean, not who is it going to buy it from. I'm sure France would love to sell London all these things, but the stuff still has to be moved to London somehow and the money needs to go the other way.
On buying in services, where are all the English Law experts outside of London? Here's a clue, they're not in France or Germany.
How do you see the deal with the rUK that gives the required access, what price would you put on it? And how does that compare to your idea of how much London currently subsidises the rUK?
Of course London could go it alone in theory, but the practicalities on the ground are that it can't. Best case London would carry on doing it's own thing and would carry on paying for the rUK as it pays inflated prices for everything. Is that independence? Is that really any different?
Not sure what do you mean by how is London going to access the internet?
There are numerous links from London to the row that don't depend on rUK.
For legal services just like for any other service, if there is someone willing to buy them, there will always be someone who wants to sell them.
The practicalities and more so the lack of the political will, are that London wouldn't go alone, but not because it can't.
jjlynn27 said:
If London would starve within a week, how long would you give the rest of UK without London?
Not sure what do you mean by how is London going to access the internet?
There are numerous links from London to the row that don't depend on rUK.
For legal services just like for any other service, if there is someone willing to buy them, there will always be someone who wants to sell them.
The practicalities and more so the lack of the political will, are that London wouldn't go alone, but not because it can't.
Heathrow.. no use, the rUK's typhoons will maintain a no fly zone.Not sure what do you mean by how is London going to access the internet?
There are numerous links from London to the row that don't depend on rUK.
For legal services just like for any other service, if there is someone willing to buy them, there will always be someone who wants to sell them.
The practicalities and more so the lack of the political will, are that London wouldn't go alone, but not because it can't.
Trains.. rUK cut the tracks
Roads.. rUK blocks them with tanks and military
Thames.. Diverted permanently upstream
Internet.. satellite is your only option
Utilities.. Lines cut and capped
rUK carries on as normal.. all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cov and we get to watch you all slowly die.
JawKnee said:
MrBrightSi said:
JawKnee said:
I already live in the EU thanks and have done my whole life.
Right, so you dont live in the capital?Why are you getting involved then, it's not your home, you're an EU citizen now and i hope they keep you.
What makes you so sure it wont still be successful after the UK has left the EU? What do you know, that `everyone' else does not? You really ought to study some history of `your' city a bit further back than 1975.
jjlynn27 said:
If London would starve within a week, how long would you give the rest of UK without London?
Not sure what do you mean by how is London going to access the internet?
There are numerous links from London to the row that don't depend on rUK.
Much longer than a week, fundamentally because the rUK would still have access to places in the UK and around the world that aren't covered in concrete and the ability to move money around.Not sure what do you mean by how is London going to access the internet?
There are numerous links from London to the row that don't depend on rUK.
What are these internet links exactly? Ones that don't go via rUK, I can't think of any. Satellite is the only credible option, but that would be trivial to block.
SystemParanoia said:
Heathrow.. no use, the rUK's typhoons will maintain a no fly zone.
Trains.. rUK cut the tracks
Roads.. rUK blocks them with tanks and military
Thames.. Diverted permanently upstream
Internet.. satellite is your only option
Utilities.. Lines cut and capped
rUK carries on as normal.. all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cov and we get to watch you all slowly die.
Bit drastic that? Trains.. rUK cut the tracks
Roads.. rUK blocks them with tanks and military
Thames.. Diverted permanently upstream
Internet.. satellite is your only option
Utilities.. Lines cut and capped
rUK carries on as normal.. all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cov and we get to watch you all slowly die.
As for 'all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cow' you are having a laugh, aren't you?
jjlynn27 said:
SystemParanoia said:
Heathrow.. no use, the rUK's typhoons will maintain a no fly zone.
Trains.. rUK cut the tracks
Roads.. rUK blocks them with tanks and military
Thames.. Diverted permanently upstream
Internet.. satellite is your only option
Utilities.. Lines cut and capped
rUK carries on as normal.. all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cov and we get to watch you all slowly die.
Bit drastic that? Trains.. rUK cut the tracks
Roads.. rUK blocks them with tanks and military
Thames.. Diverted permanently upstream
Internet.. satellite is your only option
Utilities.. Lines cut and capped
rUK carries on as normal.. all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cov and we get to watch you all slowly die.
As for 'all london nonsense shifts to birmingham/Cow' you are having a laugh, aren't you?
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