US to ban electronic devices from flights

[bigandclever]

Northern Munkee said:

CNN are suggesting the U.K. May join the US in the new procedures, it also suggests that they both have some credible intelligence to support this particular means of attack. Presumably it's either hiding an explosive in the device, or perhaps turning the battery into device placed somewhere vulnerable, maybe.

I doubt it has anything to do with a terror attack; it'll be because the CBP don't need permission to open your bags in the hold and automatically have the legal authority to inspect what they want, when they want ... so open up the bag, take an image of a laptop hard-disk, peruse at their leisure. You don't know it's been done and you don't need to be told. But let's not get all 'tin-foil hatty'

[Hosenbugler]

UK has joined the US in the same procedures. Recent news in past 20 mins or so

[jamiebae]

KTF said:

Apparently they are allowed in the hold only so the throwers will be delighted with all the laptops and ipads people have decided to give them.

Meanwhile Mr Terrorist will link his laptop to his phone using bluetooth/wifi and push the red button from the comfort of his seat above or it will just blow up at whatever time anyway and make more of a mess as all of the other lithium devices go the same way.

Or they might catch fire in the hold and the crew wont be able to put it out like they could if it was in the cabin.

Still, it makes the Americans think they are safe so its a flawless plan...

Reading between the lines johnny jihadi can miniaturise a bomb down to the size of a laptop battery but for something that size to do some damage it needs to be strategically placed at the right part of the airframe. If remotely triggered in the hold it'll do some damage but is unlikely to explosively de-pressurise the plane.

[babatunde]

Call it what it is........It's Muslim ban 3.0

If there were a logical technical reason for the ban it would apply to all airlines.

Basically Trump administration is saying we don't want persons with a permanent tan in "our" country

Edited by babatunde on Tuesday 21st March 18:21

[GT03ROB]

babatunde said:

Call it what it is........It's Moslem ban 3.0

If there were a logical technical reason for the ban it would apply to all airlines.

Basically Trump administration is saying we don't want persons with a permanent tan in "our" country

I would suggest the logical reason is the perception of security in the airports concerned hence it applies to all airlines flying non-stop to the US. What is confusing is that the UK ban does not apply to the same airports!

[babatunde]

GT03ROB said:

babatunde said:

Call it what it is........It's Moslem ban 3.0

If there were a logical technical reason for the ban it would apply to all airlines.

Basically Trump administration is saying we don't want persons with a permanent tan in "our" country

I would suggest the logical reason is the perception of security in the airports concerned hence it applies to all airlines flying non-stop to the US. What is confusing is that the UK ban does not apply to the same airports!

But it doesnt apply to all airlines from the same airports, whose passengers go thought eh same security, so Jonny Jihadi only has to buy a Delta or Air India or Ethiopian airways flight from the same point and they are good also many phones nowadays have bigger batteries than E-readers, Stupid

[GT03ROB]

babatunde said:

GT03ROB said:

babatunde said:

Call it what it is........It's Moslem ban 3.0

If there were a logical technical reason for the ban it would apply to all airlines.

Basically Trump administration is saying we don't want persons with a permanent tan in "our" country

I would suggest the logical reason is the perception of security in the airports concerned hence it applies to all airlines flying non-stop to the US. What is confusing is that the UK ban does not apply to the same airports!

But it doesnt apply to all airlines from the same airports, whose passengers go thought eh same security, so Jonny Jihadi only has to buy a Delta or Air India or Ethiopian airways flight from the same point and they are good also many phones nowadays have bigger batteries than E-readers, Stupid

Except none of those go non-stop to the US so will have intermediate security checks which the US is presumably ok with.

[KTF]

Won't someone please think of the children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39341302

[FN2TypeR]

KTF said:

Won't someone please think of the children

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39341302

""@realDonaldTrump this is absurd," wrote one panicked Twitter user. "My toddlers can't go 2 miles w/o an ipad."

[MrBrightSi]

I saw the same tweet. "Help me donald trump, if the electric box doesn't raise my child, i might have to"

[6th Gear]

https://skift.com/2016/06/28/u-s-airlines-set-to-l...

Remember this?

[Cold]

The UK ban is for inbound flights from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia.

[easytiger123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfiMoJUDVQ

[bristolracer]

Within 10 years we will be flying in paper overalls.

If I were an enterprising airline I'd install iPads in the back of seats and charge £10 an hour so your children can watch peppa pig on your annual to turkey. Program it to run a few trailers too just to encourage them.

Do you think the smart terrorists have money in airport security shares?

[BlackLabel]

6th Gear said:

https://skift.com/2016/06/28/u-s-airlines-set-to-l...

Remember this?

Are you suggesting that the intelligence community would fabricate evidence about an enemies capabilities just for political and economic gain? Shirley not.

[LaSource]

So I assume in order to maintain commercial symmetry some of these countries (e.g. Dubai) will also ban incoming flights from the US from carrying such equipment? (After all a threat to use laptops etc could originate in the US)
Thereby they would also ensure there is not a skew in Business travellers using US airlines only....they'll be screwed on any airline

...and then someone may say this is getting a bit impractical!

[ukaskew]

The BBC article says the UK ban is wider because the US one doesn't include National Carriers, but it makes no reference to that exception again and continues to mention all flights from Dubai etc.

Which is correct?

[RBH58]

I'm stuffed if I can figure out how a fake PC bomb exploding in the hold is any safer than one exploding in the cabin. I cant figure out what difference it makes to the ability to operate a bomb when it's in the cabin or in the hold (a timer or barometric switch is going to work equally well in the hold as in the cabin). And now we probably have an increased risk from fires from having a hold full of lithium batteries!

This just doesn't make any sense to me, and I wonder if it has more to do with inconveniencing/penalising Middle Eastern carriers than it has to do with "security". I just don't trust government's motives on this stuff anymore. Especially the US governments motives now that the country is headed by a certifiable lunatic.

Edited by RBH58 on Wednesday 22 March 02:56

Edited by RBH58 on Wednesday 22 March 02:58

[Sump]

RBH58 said:

This just doesn't make any sense to me, and I wonder if it has more to do with inconveniencing/penalising Middle Eastern carriers than it has to do with "security". I just don't trust government's motives on this stuff anymore. Especially the US governments motives now that the country is headed by a certifiable lunatic.

Edited by RBH58 on Wednesday 22 March 02:56

Edited by RBH58 on Wednesday 22 March 02:58

100% this, after all the open skies arguments.

[GT03ROB]

LaSource said:

So I assume in order to maintain commercial symmetry some of these countries (e.g. Dubai) will also ban incoming flights from the US from carrying such equipment? (After all a threat to use laptops etc could originate in the US)
Thereby they would also ensure there is not a skew in Business travellers using US airlines only....they'll be screwed on any airline

...and then someone may say this is getting a bit impractical!

...except it's not targeted at airlines, its airports & non-stop flights... there have been major US concerns regarding security at these airports that pre-date Trump.