Martin Mcguinnes dead
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The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
Yet you roll over for the Roman Catholic Church, inquisitions akimbo. How very odd and hypocritical...What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
Please, let me apologise for the peoples of the United KingdomWhat you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
and you think that had the Brits not interfered all over the world that all would have been sweetness and light? Of course it wouldn't - and if you think otherwise you are deluded, in fact I'd go as far as to say that I suspect that the English ended being the best of the other possibilities.What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
WRT this murdering sack of s
t - I'll not shed a tear for his passing, though I do hope that he didn't suffer. Not many people do deserve to suffer in agony
Stickyfinger said:
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
Please, let me apologise for the peoples of the United KingdomWhat you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
IF someone is to apologise it shall be LILY ALLEN
Now apologise
Stickyfinger said:
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
Please, let me apologise for the peoples of the United KingdomWhat you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
king stupid ideaBigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
you need to open your eyes and perhaps find out what it was like for ordinary people living in the UK 300 years ago it wasn't fWhat you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
kin Downton Abbey.Some of the extreme fawning over him on social media is repulsive.
To quote Lord Stannis- A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good
https://reaction.life/martin-mcguinness-bad-bastar...
To quote Lord Stannis- A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good
https://reaction.life/martin-mcguinness-bad-bastar...
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Tuesday 21st March 23:21
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
I'm still waiting for an apology from the Romans for their disgusting behaviour during the Roman Empire. The Danes as well, due to their behaviour during the Viking conquests, and whilst we're at it, how about the Normans during the Norman conquest. It's called History, get over it.Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
And as for the English (technically British, but we'll overlook that) colonial history, have a look at the nations that have come out of the British Empire, and the compare them to nations that have come out of say the French Empire and see how they're doing.
And please, don't wheel out the one man's terrorist tripe. If you're saying that it was unacceptable for the British to use violence over the last few hundred years, then it was certainly unacceptable for Mcguiness and co to use violence in the modern age.
And just to add, I agree whole heartedly with Lord Tebbitt, hope the f
ker is burning somewhere. As an interesting aside, a friend of the family managed to land him with a broken brick when he was serving in NI, the most satisfying throw ever apparently. Edited by Jonmx on Tuesday 21st March 23:36
Derek Smith said:
There's little doubt that he was involved, closely involved, in a number of murders. The Mountbatten bombing, which, don't forget took three by-standers as well, no doubt justified as collateral damage, was particularly repugnant as it was for nothing more than publicity.
McGuinnes was forced to the negotiating table; he was not the architect of the GFA. It is a tribute to the government that they went for an agreement, it is even more so that they got it through and have continued to honour it, not that there's any sensible option.
He was involved in murders of innocent people, of that there can be little doubt. He was in charge and he revelled in it. Many people died for his political ambition.
No one on TV or elsewhere will mention a hero of mine, Kenneth Howorth. He was a positive for McGuinnes and a loss to the country. Just what we didn't need, fewer people willing to risk their lives for what turned out to be the GFA.
I've always felt that if a person I particularly dislike dies, it is pointless criticising them because I've won as such. I've outlived them. McGuinnes is different though. I've watched Sky News tell everyone that the changed his spots. That he was brave in going for the GFA and that it was in some way a brilliant move to shake hands with the Queen. To me it confirmed me a a royalist.
He lived as a murderer, and had things not gone his way, he would have continued to do so. A conditional rejection of murder is not a change of spots.
Good riddance.
Well Mr Smith it's no surprise your a Royalist after all you swore an oath to the Queen .McGuinnes was forced to the negotiating table; he was not the architect of the GFA. It is a tribute to the government that they went for an agreement, it is even more so that they got it through and have continued to honour it, not that there's any sensible option.
He was involved in murders of innocent people, of that there can be little doubt. He was in charge and he revelled in it. Many people died for his political ambition.
No one on TV or elsewhere will mention a hero of mine, Kenneth Howorth. He was a positive for McGuinnes and a loss to the country. Just what we didn't need, fewer people willing to risk their lives for what turned out to be the GFA.
I've always felt that if a person I particularly dislike dies, it is pointless criticising them because I've won as such. I've outlived them. McGuinnes is different though. I've watched Sky News tell everyone that the changed his spots. That he was brave in going for the GFA and that it was in some way a brilliant move to shake hands with the Queen. To me it confirmed me a a royalist.
He lived as a murderer, and had things not gone his way, he would have continued to do so. A conditional rejection of murder is not a change of spots.
Good riddance.
You have also proudly stated your family's terrible losses in fighting fascists .
I wonder if you have considered that those losses were in part because of the abject poverty in Ireland at the time
It was sign up or starve for many .
If you were 18 in the bogside in the late 1960s would you have fought for civil rights .. and if so how ...
As an aside Tony Blair v McGuinnes ... who is responsible for the most innocent deaths ..
As another aside Tony's 4 children are Irish citizens ....
Just random thoughts ......
kitz said:
Derek Smith said:
There's little doubt that he was involved, closely involved, in a number of murders. The Mountbatten bombing, which, don't forget took three by-standers as well, no doubt justified as collateral damage, was particularly repugnant as it was for nothing more than publicity.
McGuinnes was forced to the negotiating table; he was not the architect of the GFA. It is a tribute to the government that they went for an agreement, it is even more so that they got it through and have continued to honour it, not that there's any sensible option.
He was involved in murders of innocent people, of that there can be little doubt. He was in charge and he revelled in it. Many people died for his political ambition.
No one on TV or elsewhere will mention a hero of mine, Kenneth Howorth. He was a positive for McGuinnes and a loss to the country. Just what we didn't need, fewer people willing to risk their lives for what turned out to be the GFA.
I've always felt that if a person I particularly dislike dies, it is pointless criticising them because I've won as such. I've outlived them. McGuinnes is different though. I've watched Sky News tell everyone that the changed his spots. That he was brave in going for the GFA and that it was in some way a brilliant move to shake hands with the Queen. To me it confirmed me a a royalist.
He lived as a murderer, and had things not gone his way, he would have continued to do so. A conditional rejection of murder is not a change of spots.
Good riddance.
Well Mr Smith it's no surprise your a Royalist after all you swore an oath to the Queen .McGuinnes was forced to the negotiating table; he was not the architect of the GFA. It is a tribute to the government that they went for an agreement, it is even more so that they got it through and have continued to honour it, not that there's any sensible option.
He was involved in murders of innocent people, of that there can be little doubt. He was in charge and he revelled in it. Many people died for his political ambition.
No one on TV or elsewhere will mention a hero of mine, Kenneth Howorth. He was a positive for McGuinnes and a loss to the country. Just what we didn't need, fewer people willing to risk their lives for what turned out to be the GFA.
I've always felt that if a person I particularly dislike dies, it is pointless criticising them because I've won as such. I've outlived them. McGuinnes is different though. I've watched Sky News tell everyone that the changed his spots. That he was brave in going for the GFA and that it was in some way a brilliant move to shake hands with the Queen. To me it confirmed me a a royalist.
He lived as a murderer, and had things not gone his way, he would have continued to do so. A conditional rejection of murder is not a change of spots.
Good riddance.
You have also proudly stated your family's terrible losses in fighting fascists .
I wonder if you have considered that those losses were in part because of the abject poverty in Ireland at the time
It was sign up or starve for many .
If you were 18 in the bogside in the late 1960s would you have fought for civil rights .. and if so how ...
As an aside Tony Blair v McGuinnes ... who is responsible for the most innocent deaths ..
As another aside Tony's 4 children are Irish citizens ....
Just random thoughts ......
Having most of my family born & raised in NI & spending a lot of time over there myself, I can honestly say that the world is a better place without that terrorist having blood pumping around his body! He bought death & heartache to hundreds of people & somebody should have put a bullet in his head years ago.
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