Martin Mcguinnes dead
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johnxjsc1985 said:
ou need to open your eyes and perhaps find out what it was like for ordinary people living in the UK 300 years ago it wasn't f
kin Downton Abbey.
300 years? Much of the ast two millennia Britain was full of happy people living in small cosy houses, earning a scant living farming the land, whilst simultaneously juggling the incredibly labour intensive construction of huge, totally out of proportion churches and stately homes in their spare time. Whilst all the time their superiors, barons, counts, landowners, princes, queens, kings and other royal hangers on, used any spare cash to go out and give religion to the rest of the world to save them from misery. And to also collect any loose coal, diamonds, gold, silk, opium etc they found laying around unused.kin Downton Abbey.Happy times, we learned all about it at school.
Robertj21a said:
anonymous said:
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So very true. One down, one still to go.
...but he would do it again tomorrow if needed...
Bloody war criminal!
The Jallianwala Bagh massacre, also known as the Amritsar massacre, took place on 13 April 1919 when a crowd of nonviolent protesters, along with Baishakhi pilgrims, who had gathered in Jallianwala Bagh, Amritsar,Punjab, were fired upon by troops of the British Indian Army under the command of Colonel Reginald Dyer
Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre[1] – was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a peaceful protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded. Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[2][3] The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA). The soldiers involved were members of the 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment, also known as "1 Para".
Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre[1] – was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a peaceful protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded. Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[2][3] The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA). The soldiers involved were members of the 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment, also known as "1 Para".
Sir Winston Churchill may be one of Britain's greatest wartime leaders, but in India he has been blamed for allowing more than a million people to die of starvation
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.
BigLion said:
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
Gandhi letter to Hitler opened with "Dear Friend Hitler" and then you had the condolence letter sent by the Irish leader De Valera to Germany on hearing of Hitler's death, a pair of treacherous scumbags. Certain prominent members of Irish establishment over the years have sunk to the lowest level to further their cause.boobles said:
Having most of my family born & raised in NI & spending a lot of time over there myself, I can honestly say that the world is a better place without that terrorist having blood pumping around his body! He bought death & heartache to hundreds of people & somebody should have put a bullet in his head years ago.
He also brought political and social equality for the nationalist population and was repeatedly elected by thousands of voters. But not by your family I'm guessing. Do you think life is better for those in NI now, or before McGuinness joined PIRA ? Were you happier the way things were in 1969 ?BigLion said:
Sir Winston Churchill may be one of Britain's greatest wartime leaders, but in India he has been blamed for allowing more than a million people to die of starvation
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.
When William the Conquerer landed in 1066 he would lay waste to more than 100,000 people in the coming years ,how far do you want to go back?. History is how we get to be who we are today.He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.
BigLion said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacre, also known as the Amritsar massacre, took place on 13 April 1919 when a crowd of nonviolent protesters, along with Baishakhi pilgrims, who had gathered in Jallianwala Bagh, Amritsar,Punjab, were fired upon by troops of the British Indian Army under the command of Colonel Reginald Dyer
Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre[1] – was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a peaceful protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded. Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[2][3] The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA). The soldiers involved were members of the 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment, also known as "1 Para".
Your point being ? - or was it just a (selective) history lesson ?Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre[1] – was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a peaceful protest march against internment. Fourteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded. Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[2][3] The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA). The soldiers involved were members of the 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment, also known as "1 Para".
BigLion said:
Sir Winston Churchill may be one of Britain's greatest wartime leaders, but in India he has been blamed for allowing more than a million people to die of starvation
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.
There is an interesting book called Late Victorian Holocausts. It details the tens of millions who died across the empire due to economic reform, both accidentally and deliberately. Before churchills time, but he merely followed on in the true way of the British world supremacy. He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Victorian_Hol...
BOR said:
boobles said:
Having most of my family born & raised in NI & spending a lot of time over there myself, I can honestly say that the world is a better place without that terrorist having blood pumping around his body! He bought death & heartache to hundreds of people & somebody should have put a bullet in his head years ago.
He also brought political and social equality for the nationalist population and was repeatedly elected by thousands of voters. But not by your family I'm guessing. Do you think life is better for those in NI now, or before McGuinness joined PIRA ? Were you happier the way things were in 1969 ?What were they complaining about? They had it great - sure jobs were very conveniently advertised with a (P) beside them so they would be spared from wasting their time applying.
King Herald said:
There is an interesting book called Late Victorian Holocausts. It details the tens of millions who died across the empire due to economic reform, both accidentally and deliberately. Before churchills time, but he merely followed on in the true way of the British world supremacy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Victorian_Hol...
by a Marxist Mike Davies hardly surprising. The British Empire was a follow on from many others including the French, German,Dutch and don't forget the Spanish. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Victorian_Hol...
This is the 20th and 21st Century and man with blood on his hands and he didn't mind who the blood belonged too.
Throughout History there have been many men and women like Mcguinnes. They have done great things for THEIR oppressed people but they also have blood on their hands. What certain media companies have been doing over the last day is not balance out the two in any of their reporting in case it offends the family. In my mind this is wrong and offends the people who have histories of the past 50 years in NI and mainland Britain.
As an example read through the articles about Pope John Paul II. These are heavily swayed to the positive with far less mention of the issues of contraception / HIV, sex abuse scandals and Opus Dei. It is all these issues that the current Pope is dealing with 12 years after the death of John Paull II.
John
As an example read through the articles about Pope John Paul II. These are heavily swayed to the positive with far less mention of the issues of contraception / HIV, sex abuse scandals and Opus Dei. It is all these issues that the current Pope is dealing with 12 years after the death of John Paull II.
John
citizensm1th said:
McGuinnes considered himself from the very start to be a soldier engaged in unrestricted warfare against britian,no target was out of bounds in his mind.He was spotted as a rising star from the very start in the republican movement and swiftly moved through the ranks by virtue of his intelligence and total ruthlessness. (and quite possibly help from british secret services allegedly).
This is the part of the entire sorry tale that I really have a big problem with. If he, and the IRA, truly were soldiers engaged in unrestricted warfare against Britain, then surely Britain would have been totally in line with International Law to engage in unrestricted warfare against the IRA - possibly subject to a couple of formal announcements.Had we done this, then the IRA would have been wiped off the face of the earth within six months. Sure, there would have been some collateral damage, and a fair few additional people would have been recruited to the "cause" - but it would have been quicker and much more effective than what actually happened. Far fewer innocent people would have died as a result.
100% he was a terrorist - all the way up until Sunday, when he became a dead terrorist.
BOR said:
boobles said:
Having most of my family born & raised in NI & spending a lot of time over there myself, I can honestly say that the world is a better place without that terrorist having blood pumping around his body! He bought death & heartache to hundreds of people & somebody should have put a bullet in his head years ago.
He also brought political and social equality for the nationalist population and was repeatedly elected by thousands of voters. But not by your family I'm guessing. Do you think life is better for those in NI now, or before McGuinness joined PIRA ? Were you happier the way things were in 1969 ?The man is dead. Nothing said by anyone changes that. For those that lost loved ones or suffered injury at his hands and the hands of his cohorts, for those that felt the awful consequences of sectarianism, discrimination, division and bitterness, for those who cried out for peace as the blood ran in the streets, for those who used the troubles as a cover for other criminal activities such as blackmail and extortion, for those who fought, for those who stood up against the fighters with words of peace, for those who strived for peace, for those who deliver that peace every day....all of those will have mixed feelings about his life and his death.
Whilst the troubles have not completely gone away, NI is a far better and more enlightened place than it was 30 years ago. And it remains the case that NI is still part of the United Kingdom. so in respect of his life goals, McGuinness failed and the UK prevailed.
Mostly I think we can be big, magnanimous even, in victory, but we can also understand those who's losses at his hands means that his death is a matter of celebration for them.
The future for NI is one without MM. That's a good future
Whilst the troubles have not completely gone away, NI is a far better and more enlightened place than it was 30 years ago. And it remains the case that NI is still part of the United Kingdom. so in respect of his life goals, McGuinness failed and the UK prevailed.
Mostly I think we can be big, magnanimous even, in victory, but we can also understand those who's losses at his hands means that his death is a matter of celebration for them.
The future for NI is one without MM. That's a good future
BOR said:
andymadmak said:
NI is still part of the United Kingdom. so in respect of his life goals, McGuinness failed and the UK prevailed.
Mostly I think we can be big, magnanimous even, in victory
Congratulations on your victory, that's the main thing.Mostly I think we can be big, magnanimous even, in victory
Maybe at some point in the future the North will vote to join with the South. Maybe it won't. But whatever the future, it at least stands a chance of being peaceful, transition or not.
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