I love the EU because...

[Phud]

///ajd said:

Hogwash

The decline in fishing was needed to manage fish stocks - some argue over the detail/implementation but that was the main driver. UK still has the lions quota in our seas.

Blaming the EU for our own overfishing just makes it look like you have swallowed some alternative facts.

Rubbish, UK fishermen might not be as green as others want, however European ships have been ignoring every thing laid down, the med is fished out so too french-side of the channel, now all the inshore vessels are EU go and watch AIS to see who is where.

look at bass if you want a real story and who can land what.

[Pan Pan Pan]

///ajd said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Since you have never made any mention of the EU`s destruction of the UK fishing industry, and the economic, and social decline of many of the UK's coastal communities that supported it, and the movement by the EU of manufacturing jobs out of the UK, and into the EU, (using money from EU coffers of which the UK is the second largest net contributor) so essentially they are using the money we pay into the EU to destroy or damage UK industries), it is easy to believe that you only care about `your' own job, and not the UK as a whole.

Hogwash

The decline in fishing was needed to manage fish stocks - some argue over the detail/implementation but that was the main driver. UK still has the lions quota in our seas.

Blaming the EU for our own overfishing just makes it look like you have swallowed some alternative facts.

Your comment is hogwash. In 1975 hardly anyone knew, or cared about sustainability of fish stocks, nor was there much talk of environmentalism. That all kicked in long after the UK was lied and duped into joining the EU, under the premise of joining the EEC.
Opening up 80% of ones own territorial waters to the fishing vessels of many other countries, (on top of the smaller vessels of the indigenous fishing fleet) many who use industrial scale fishing vessels, is what caused damage to the fish stocks in UK territorial waters. Still as long as its not the business you are in, that suffers, it is all perfectly alright then isn't it?

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davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?
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Sure some banks will certainly relocate abroad, however, the signs are that a deal will be done with the eu under our negotiations to leave. The majority of banks will remain in the U.K., those we lose are a small price worth paying in the grand scheme. Certainly not worth losing sleep over.
When major restructures are underway some casualties are inevitable, whilst some come out winning from it. Are you a winner or loser?

[///ajd]

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?

Sure some banks will certainly relocate abroad, however, the signs are that a deal will be done with the eu under our negotiations to leave. The majority of banks will remain in the U.K., those we lose are a small price worth paying in the grand scheme. Certainly not worth losing sleep over.
When major restructures are underway some casualties are inevitable, whilst some come out winning from it. Are you a winner or loser?

I see any relocation as an unfortunate risk.

First its only a few, then they need some support, e.g. some legal support. This gets established and suddenly there is an emerging competitor and banks start to see efficiency in consolidation. Etc.

Who are your "winners"? It doesn't look like the banks (10% of our GDP) - so who is it?

My sector will survive but will be under additional risk, depending on the "deal", hard brexit could prove to be a real threat.

[julian64]

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

[Phud]

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

Julian64, please can you explain why not liking the EU is akin to hating Europe? the two are not the same, never have been and will never be.

As for traveling, there are both extremes if you travel a lot the you can also see what is wrong with the EU and what Europe could deliver without a feudal Parliament trying to control all nations as it's vassal state. And the EU is not Europe.

[danllama]

davepoth said:

I just thought of a great reason to love the EU:

In two years' time it will be a nice place to go on holiday.

No, that's Europe dummy!

[danllama]

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

Why are you relating Europe to the EU? Surely we're better than that on PH? If that's all you've got, there's not much reason to stay in the EU, surely?

I'm as anti EU, pro Europe as they come. I've travelled a fair bit in Europe, and absolutely adore it. Wouldn't catch me in Brussels though.

[julian64]

Because Europe no longer exists, it is the EU, or at least that is the direction they have all chosen to travel in. The political system defined to govern will eventually affect the culture to make it more homogenous. We were slowly changing our identity to become more like an homogenous EU culture.

Its a fallacy to think countries voting to stay in the EU are voting for 'no change'. We are effectively the country voting for 'no change'. Pressure groups aside (even really big ones) the majority are voting to continue change into a European Union culture.

[wc98]

Phud said:

///ajd said:

Hogwash

The decline in fishing was needed to manage fish stocks - some argue over the detail/implementation but that was the main driver. UK still has the lions quota in our seas.

Blaming the EU for our own overfishing just makes it look like you have swallowed some alternative facts.

Rubbish, UK fishermen might not be as green as others want, however European ships have been ignoring every thing laid down, the med is fished out so too french-side of the channel, now all the inshore vessels are EU go and watch AIS to see who is where.

look at bass if you want a real story and who can land what.

he pushes this same nonsense every now and again, forgetting he has already been called out on it and shown to be wrong. i think he has serious memory problems that need proper medical diagnosis as the sheer level of repetitive drivel he types is beyond anything any healthy rational human being would do. i would genuinely advise him to see a doctor about this ,but i doubt he would take any notice.

[jjlynn27]

danllama said:

No, that's Europe dummy!

For the purpose of this thread, people are using EU and Europe interchangeably.

It's only an issue for the simple, ill-educated knuckle draggers like yourself who have nothing else to offer.

There are plenty of intelligent people who want to leave EU for one reason or another. You are not one of them.

[danllama]

julian64 said:

Because Europe no longer exists, it is the EU, or at least that is the direction they have all chosen to travel in. The political system defined to govern will eventually affect the culture to make it more homogenous. We were slowly changing our identity to become more like an homogenous EU culture.

Its a fallacy to think countries voting to stay in the EU are voting for 'no change'. We are effectively the country voting for 'no change'. Pressure groups aside (even really big ones) the majority are voting to continue change into a European Union culture.

Read that back to yourself, try to be objective.

Makes worrying reading to me, from every aspect.

[danllama]

jjlynn27 said:

danllama said:

No, that's Europe dummy!

For the purpose of this thread, people are using EU and Europe interchangeably.

It's only an issue for the simple, ill-educated knuckle draggers like yourself who have nothing else to offer.

There are plenty of intelligent people who want to leave EU for one reason or another. You are not one of them.

I was joking, hence the emoticon. But it's wonderful to see you're still stalking me, to the point of actually being in my head and knowing my every thought.

Wierdo.

Julian64 certainly isn't using them interchangeably. He seems to think Europe no longer exists. What are your thoughts on that? Bonus points for replying without insulting me. It doesn't reflect well on your character when you only reply with insults. (Admittedly I am guilty of it from time to time, some people here are testing).

Edited by danllama on Wednesday 29th March 10:54

[alfie2244]

julian64 said:

Because Europe no longer exists, it is the EU, or at least that is the direction they have all chosen to travel in. The political system defined to govern will eventually affect the culture to make it more homogenous. We were slowly changing our identity to become more like an homogeneous EU culture.

Its a fallacy to think countries voting to stay in the EU are voting for 'no change'. We are effectively the country voting for 'no change'. Pressure groups aside (even really big ones) the majority are voting to continue change into a European Union culture.

This "homogeneous EU" does this include The Ukraine, Turkey etc?

[///ajd]

Phud said:

///ajd said:

Hogwash

The decline in fishing was needed to manage fish stocks - some argue over the detail/implementation but that was the main driver. UK still has the lions quota in our seas.

Blaming the EU for our own overfishing just makes it look like you have swallowed some alternative facts.

Rubbish, UK fishermen might not be as green as others want, however European ships have been ignoring every thing laid down, the med is fished out so too french-side of the channel, now all the inshore vessels are EU go and watch AIS to see who is where.

look at bass if you want a real story and who can land what.

So the foreign fishermen are the baddies? Got it.

We never overfished, just the baddies. Got it.

[davey68]

Interesting that AJD chose not to reply to the comments about fishing. People arguing a point about something is fine. What frustrates me about AJD is that he throws statements around to support his pro eu bias, but cannot give any facts or credence to his comments once challenged. Like Jawknee he behaves very much like a troll, trying to antagonise people on the forums. Probably not the case but it does come across that way.

[///ajd]

davey68 said:

Interesting that AJD chose not to reply to the comments about fishing. People arguing a point about something is fine. What frustrates me about AJD is that he throws statements around to support his pro eu bias, but cannot give any facts or credence to his comments once challenged. Like Jawknee he behaves very much like a troll, trying to antagonise people on the forums. Probably not the case but it does come across that way.

I made my point about fishing - others say nonsense, nothing to do with our own overfishing, just the foreigners.

Fine, I have a different view. For me it was about overfishing & impact of the industrialisation of fishing. They were the key drivers. It is typical "blame someone else" nonsense to pretend its all down to the nasty EU and the foreigners.

There are plenty of facts out there - make your own mind up. Its not pro-EU to say the EU have not created the decline - its just pointing out hating the EU won't solve the challenges in the fishing industry. You'll be disappointed if you think it will.

[crankedup]

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?

Sure some banks will certainly relocate abroad, however, the signs are that a deal will be done with the eu under our negotiations to leave. The majority of banks will remain in the U.K., those we lose are a small price worth paying in the grand scheme. Certainly not worth losing sleep over.
When major restructures are underway some casualties are inevitable, whilst some come out winning from it. Are you a winner or loser?

I see any relocation as an unfortunate risk.

First its only a few, then they need some support, e.g. some legal support. This gets established and suddenly there is an emerging competitor and banks start to see efficiency in consolidation. Etc.

Who are your "winners"? It doesn't look like the banks (10% of our GDP) - so who is it?

My sector will survive but will be under additional risk, depending on the "deal", hard brexit could prove to be a real threat.

You say those banks which will be relocating will need legal support!! What on earth you mean by this I have no idea, commercial business makes a de ision to relocate thier business, end of.

You ask me who are the winners, let's start with the 52% electorate who voted to leave the eu.
Those businesses heavily involved in exporting thier products.
The UK who will broaden our trade base with non eu Countries and retain some critical eu trade, albeit at a cost to be agreed.
Non eu Countries will benifit from trade with the UK.

Don't over concern yourself with banks being some of the losers, they are big boys and know how to trade. The UK needs to wean itself off from the bank dependency and rebuild our manufacturing base. That's not to say let the banks go at any cost nor keep them at any cost.

If only I was young again, the opportunities that will beckon from our eu exit will be exciting and rewarding for those that don't sit around.

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

So the foreign fishermen are the baddies? Got it.

We never overfished, just the baddies. Got it.

Good job we got plenty of kippers eh slasher........oh and a happy woeful Wednesday to you.


Woe woe and thrice woe beware the Ides of March

[crankedup]

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

Better to look at the political pro's and cons with the broader picture of trade and prosperity.