I love the EU because...

[TEKNOPUG]

julian64 said:

Because Europe no longer exists, it is the EU, or at least that is the direction they have all chosen to travel in. The political system defined to govern will eventually affect the culture to make it more homogenous.

That sounds truly dreadful. All those unique cultures, languages, art, music, cuisine etc, evolved over hundreds, thousands of years all being lost in a couple of generations, in some giant bland EU soup.

[Phud]

///ajd said:

So the foreign fishermen are the baddies? Got it.

We never overfished, just the baddies. Got it.

in your simple world of binary yes, you can think that way.

[danllama]

TEKNOPUG said:

julian64 said:

Because Europe no longer exists, it is the EU, or at least that is the direction they have all chosen to travel in. The political system defined to govern will eventually affect the culture to make it more homogenous.

That sounds truly dreadful. All those unique cultures, languages, art, music, cuisine etc, evolved over hundreds, thousands of years all being lost in a couple of generations, in some giant bland EU soup.

+1 precisely what I was getting at on the previous page. Lets hope they don't all think like that.

[anonymous-user]

TEKNOPUG said:

julian64 said:

Because Europe no longer exists, it is the EU, or at least that is the direction they have all chosen to travel in. The political system defined to govern will eventually affect the culture to make it more homogenous.

That sounds truly dreadful. All those unique cultures, languages, art, music, cuisine etc, evolved over hundreds, thousands of years all being lost in a couple of generations, in some giant bland EU soup.

I wouldn't worry. The politicians may want this but the people on the whole don't. The people always win eventually, even if it takes generations. Just look at the USSR for proof of that.

[Fat Fairy]

julian64 said:

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Hmmmm, I am a Leaver.
I have travelled, lived and worked in.........
The USA (Alaska and Nevada), Canada, France, Belgium, Germany, Italy (mainland, Sicily and Sardinia), Denmark, Norway, Finland, Slovenia, Spain, Tunisia, Turkey, Cyprus, Egypt, Oman and the UAE.
Don't tell any of my KKK mates, but SOME OF MY FRIENDS have dark skin, or are Hindu or Muslim!!!



FF

[alfie2244]

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much.

EU does NOT = Europe is that clear?

Your comments re racism are not worthy of reply however I have traveled or worked in France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Norway..........oh fook this......it's easier to say I have probably been to 90% of all the European countries (as well as Russia and the US) some of them very many times, I also own a Dutch barge and a Dutch barge dog.....I am a Leaver so how does this fit in with your thinking?

[fido]

julian64 said:

People who are ardently anti EuropeEU are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

So how diverse are you? I bet all your mates are Remoaners, probably middle-class, travel or work in same places in the EU (or Europe as you seem to refer to it) ..

[PH XKR]

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

In my life I have only twice been amazed by such stupidity I've felt the need to put on a female teen accent and say OMG.

This was the second time.

[Mandalore]

PH XKR said:

Mandalore said:

PH XKR said:

The fact the banks are not moving en masse is a huge indicator as to just how uncertain they feel with the EU, otherwise, they would already have made the moves.

Silly them for (saying repeatedly they are) waiting until after the negotiations have confirmed what Brexit actually means to the banks before acting (on some real and not made-up-by-you facts).


Go on, tell another one.

Are you ignoring the massive push within the EU, pre Brexit talks or even the referendum, to make London financially unattractive with a bid for Frankfurt to step in and gain?

Are YOU ignoring all the banks when they say we are planning for the worst but waiting to see what happens in the negotiations before taking action.

Because.. based on what you wrote, you seem to be claiming as a FACT that they intend to stay indefinitely.
That is hugely inaccurate and misleading.

[Mandalore]

Pan Pan Pan said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?

Ah! so as long as the bit of business `you' are involved in, that might gain a benefit by being in the EU is alright, there is `no problem' with many other UK jobs and businesses either being destroyed, or being moved to the EU (And with the added sting of using the money the UK has paid into the EU`s coffers to do it) Such as the UK`s fishing industry, or Ford plant at Southampton?
You have to do what is best for the UK as a whole, not just the little bit that effects you, which is why you must support Brexit totally, and not be a lackey for the EU monster.

Fishing Plus Transit workers annual income tax payments = Annual Income Tax from Finance & technology (and advertising, and service industry, and office suplly etc etc) Workers whose jobs are directly related to the EEC passport rules on selling products to other EU countries.

^^ Who knew


We missed a chance to Bankrupt RBS years earlier by offering Crankedup's free services as their chief economist and policy adviser.

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 15:04

[Mandalore]

Nobody LOVES the EU FFS!


But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.


Why is that so hard is that for some people to understand?

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 12:53

[s2art]

Mandalore said:

But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 12:53

The EEC ship set sail a long time ago. Its the EU that is the problem.

[B'stard Child]

Mandalore said:

Nobody LOVES the EU FFS!


But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.


Why is that so hard is that for some people to understand?

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

[crankedup]

Mandalore said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?

Ah! so as long as the bit of business `you' are involved in, that might gain a benefit by being in the EU is alright, there is `no problem' with many other UK jobs and businesses either being destroyed, or being moved to the EU (And with the added sting of using the money the UK has paid into the EU`s coffers to do it) Such as the UK`s fishing industry, or Ford plant at Southampton?
You have to do what is best for the UK as a whole, not just the little bit that effects you, which is why you must support Brexit totally, and not be a lackey for the EU monster.

Fishing Plus Transit workers annual income tax payments = Annual Income Tax from Finance & technology (and advertising, and service industry, and office suplly etc etc) Workers whose jobs are directly related to the EEC passport rules on selling products to other EU countries.

^^ Who knew


We missed a chance to Bankrupt ISIS years earlier by offering Crankedup's free services as their chief economist and policy adviser.

I must insist that you delete your last paragraph associating my posts to ISIS. It's not funny, clever or relevant.

[sidicks]

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

I've read some nonsense on Brexit threads, but this is pretty close to the top, despite some very strong competition.

You appear unable to differentiate between the EU and Europe hence your comments about racism etc are an immediate 'fail'.

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th March 13:21

[crankedup]

Mandalore said:

Nobody LOVES the EU FFS!


But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.


Why is that so hard is that for some people to understand?

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 12:53

Looking at the UK economic performance since the 2016 referendum. Virtually all of the 'experts' told us how doom and gloom would be upon us from the get go after the vote. The reality is the opposite, this hardly gives any confidence that anti brexiters are any more correct in their assertions now.

[sidicks]

Mandalore said:

Nobody LOVES the EU FFS!
But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.

Why is that so hard is that for some people to understand?

1. It is your opinion, not a fact.
2. Plenty of those currently suffering in Southern Europe would beg to differ with your claim!

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

[gazza285]

crankedup said:

Mandalore said:

We missed a chance to Bankrupt ISIS years earlier by offering Crankedup's free services as their chief economist and policy adviser.

I must insist that you delete your last paragraph associating my posts to ISIS. It's not funny, clever or relevant.

Like much on this thread then.

[deadslow]

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

[MrBrightSi]

gazza285 said:

crankedup said:

Mandalore said:

We missed a chance to Bankrupt ISIS years earlier by offering Crankedup's free services as their chief economist and policy adviser.

I must insist that you delete your last paragraph associating my posts to ISIS. It's not funny, clever or relevant.

Like much on this thread then.

The whole being compared to terrorists in some way has become hip and trendy recently.