I love the EU because...

[B'stard Child]

deadslow said:

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

9% is less than 10%

5% is less than 10%

1% is less than 10%

0.000001% is less than 10%

How many percent was it?

[SystemParanoia]

B'stard Child said:

deadslow said:

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

9% is less than 10%

5% is less than 10%

1% is less than 10%

0.000001% is less than 10%

How many percent was it?

maybe he was referring to the binary figure of 10 ?

[B'stard Child]

SystemParanoia said:

B'stard Child said:

deadslow said:

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

9% is less than 10%

5% is less than 10%

1% is less than 10%

0.000001% is less than 10%

How many percent was it?

maybe he was referring to the binary figure of 10 ?

Perhaps I should provide a binary response?

01000110 01010101 01000011 01001011 01011001 01001111 01010101 00100001

[markcoznottz]

deadslow said:

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

Political elite never conversed with people re immigration, it's not a minor thing.

[MrBrightSi]

markcoznottz said:

deadslow said:

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

Political elite never conversed with people re immigration, it's not a minor thing.

It's definitely not, polls across the western world taken from as early as the rivers of blood speech have shown immigration has been on the mind of regular peoples for a long time now. By conflating all concerns about it with racism/xenophobia/buzzwords, the discussion has become so stifled.

[julian64]

sidicks said:

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

I've read some nonsense on Brexit threads, but this is pretty close to the top, despite some very strong competition.

You appear unable to differentiate between the EU and Europe hence your comments about racism etc are an immediate 'fail'.

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th March 13:21

Your inability to differentiate between an exchange of opinions, and rebuking a dullard troubles me.
Perhaps if you read the explanation of why I consider the EU and Europe to be synonymous you could manage to be more constructive.

Racism possibly inflamed but I qualified what I meant in using it for those who continued to read.

[MrBrightSi]

julian64 said:

sidicks said:

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

I've read some nonsense on Brexit threads, but this is pretty close to the top, despite some very strong competition.

You appear unable to differentiate between the EU and Europe hence your comments about racism etc are an immediate 'fail'.

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th March 13:21

Your inability to differentiate between an exchange of opinions, and rebuking a dullard troubles me.
Perhaps if you read the explanation of why I consider the EU and Europe to be synonymous you could manage to be more constructive.

Racism possibly inflamed but I qualified what I meant in using it for those who continued to read.

What about people who have travelled in Europe and still see your "Racism" argument as stupid.

Edit: I did my whole hippy phase of travelling and still have the bug to go places and do more HelpX stuff but to label all those who disagree with a political union as "racist" just because in your mind they didn't have some fancy "Gap year" travels is laughable. I travelled Europe, back packed to a couple of places over 3 months and returned to established friends for a couple in the Mx5. On both occasions things happened that made me very wary of the future of the European union and fear for the future of Europeans and their respective nations.

Edited by MrBrightSi on Wednesday 29th March 14:41

[sidicks]

julian64 said:

Your inability to differentiate between an exchange of opinions, and rebuking a dullard troubles me.
Perhaps if you read the explanation of why I consider the EU and Europe to be synonymous you could manage to be more constructive.

There is quite a difference between stating your own opinion and misrepresenting the opinions of others.

For the avoidance of doubt, we can still travel and work in Europe just as we could before we joined.

julian64 said:

Racism possibly inflamed but I qualified what I meant in using it for those who continued to read.

Qualifying a racist accusation doesn't make it any less offensive or any less inaccurate.

[SystemParanoia]

B'stard Child said:

SystemParanoia said:

B'stard Child said:

deadslow said:

B'stard Child said:

It's not - it's just countered by 52% of the voting public decided that life outside the European Economic Community would be a better prospect and voted with their hand putting an X in the box marked leave.

Head and Heart doesn't come into it

yes, but its a tragic pity that less than 10% of them were concerned with anything other than too many foreigners in our country.

9% is less than 10%

5% is less than 10%

1% is less than 10%

0.000001% is less than 10%

How many percent was it?

maybe he was referring to the binary figure of 10 ?

Perhaps I should provide a binary response?

01000110 01010101 01000011 01001011 01011001 01001111 01010101 00100001

[Mandalore]

crankedup said:

Mandalore said:

Nobody LOVES the EU FFS!


But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.


Why is that so hard is that for some people to understand?

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 12:53

Looking at the UK economic performance since the 2016 referendum. Virtually all of the 'experts' told us how doom and gloom would be upon us from the get go after the vote. The reality is the opposite, this hardly gives any confidence that anti brexiters are any more correct in their assertions now.

I think you'll find they referred to the impact of the exit itself, not the vote to carry out the exis.

You do seem incapable of separating the two events as one being 'intent' and the other the 'act'.

[julian64]

MrBrightSi said:

What about people who have travelled in Europe and still see your "Racism" argument as stupid.

I would characterise you as differing in opinion/outlook, but I wouldn't call you stupid.

The last world war, if it demonstrated anything, was that travelling around Europe doesn't necessarily affect whether you are racist or not. Insular nationalistic thinking doesn't have a travel limit. All I can say is that in my case it did.

[Mandalore]

crankedup said:

Mandalore said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?

Ah! so as long as the bit of business `you' are involved in, that might gain a benefit by being in the EU is alright, there is `no problem' with many other UK jobs and businesses either being destroyed, or being moved to the EU (And with the added sting of using the money the UK has paid into the EU`s coffers to do it) Such as the UK`s fishing industry, or Ford plant at Southampton?
You have to do what is best for the UK as a whole, not just the little bit that effects you, which is why you must support Brexit totally, and not be a lackey for the EU monster.

Fishing Plus Transit workers annual income tax payments = Annual Income Tax from Finance & technology (and advertising, and service industry, and office suplly etc etc) Workers whose jobs are directly related to the EEC passport rules on selling products to other EU countries.

^^ Who knew


We missed a chance to Bankrupt ISIS years earlier by offering Crankedup's free services as their chief economist and policy adviser.

I must insist that you delete your last paragraph associating my posts to ISIS. It's not funny, clever or relevant.

For the record, I can see that I have quite clearly stated that you are not associated in any way with ISIS.

However, if the majority of posters feel the same, I change the bankrupt organisations name to something similar with a motoring twist like Delorean.

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 15:03

[alfie2244]

julian64 said:

I would characterise you as differing in opinion/outlook, but I wouldn't call you stupid.

The last world war, if it demonstrated anything, was that travelling around Europe doesn't necessarily affect whether you are racist or not. Insular nationalistic thinking doesn't have a travel limit. All I can say is that in my case it did.

WTF?

[MrBrightSi]

julian64 said:

MrBrightSi said:

What about people who have travelled in Europe and still see your "Racism" argument as stupid.

I would characterise you as differing in opinion/outlook, but I wouldn't call you stupid.

The last world war, if it demonstrated anything, was that travelling around Europe doesn't necessarily affect whether you are racist or not. Insular nationalistic thinking doesn't have a travel limit. All I can say is that in my case it did.

The argument was stupid, I have no issue with you personally, in fact on some points i agree.

I agree that travel broadens the mind, unfortunately it opened mine to some significant issues. The rest of the post about missing things at home and appreciating things abroad is correct, no doubt. I just cannot see where your accusation of "Racism" comes in

[danllama]

MrBrightSi said:

What about people who have travelled in Europe and still see your "Racism" argument as stupid.

Edit: I did my whole hippy phase of travelling and still have the bug to go places and do more HelpX stuff but to label all those who disagree with a political union as "racist" just because in your mind they didn't have some fancy "Gap year" travels is laughable. I travelled Europe, back packed to a couple of places over 3 months and returned to established friends for a couple in the Mx5. On both occasions things happened that made me very wary of the future of the European union and fear for the future of Europeans and their respective nations.

Edited by MrBrightSi on Wednesday 29th March 14:41

I'd like to hear more about what happened during your travels that was cause for concern for Europe/Europeans, if you don't mind sharing.

[MrBrightSi]

danllama said:

I'd like to hear more about what happened during your travels that was cause for concern for Europe/Europeans, if you don't mind sharing.

Sent you a PM. I don't want to use my anecdotes here.

[Mandalore]

sidicks said:

Mandalore said:

Nobody LOVES the EU FFS!
But, people who know that life outside the European Economic Community would be a worse prospect voted with their head and not their heart.

Why is that so hard is that for some people to understand?

1. It is your opinion, not a fact.
2. Plenty of those currently suffering in Southern Europe would beg to differ with your claim!

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Do you know what is funny.

That YOU would have the comedy idea to lecture ME on posting opinion as a fact.


1. As pretty everybody I know who voted that way didn't do it because they 'Love' the EU. I stick to my statement.

2. Explain why 'Plenty of people in southern europe' are suffering because....what/how/eh??

[PH XKR]

Southern states are suffering because lazy workshy subsidised skill sets.

Spain will fall without uk net contribution. The reason we have an influx from eastern europe is because they want jobs, but where are the Greeks or Spanish migrants?

[johnfm]

julian64 said:

sidicks said:

julian64 said:

I love the EU because....

In many ways they are better than us, and we can learn from them. The problem I find is that hating Europe is somewhat akin to racism. Without being too inflammatory because its obviously not racism but there are similar undesirable attributes in common.

People who are ardently anti Europe are most likely never to have travelled much in the same way that people who are racist are very unlikely to have a widespread set of diverse culture friends/work colleagues. Unfortunately the relationship seems to be linear.

Travel for any period of time in Europe with your eyes open and two things happen, you appreciate good old UK for what you miss abroad. You also see a combination of things you dislike abroad and things you love that the UK has either lost or never understood because it never tried.

I love the EU because when you are standing in the EU and look back you can see all the best bits about the UK and all the rubbish, and at the same time as being happy to be back you can ask that for some things why can't we be more European.

That particular desire to improve would not occur otherwise, and is likely to be reversing now as we detach.

I've read some nonsense on Brexit threads, but this is pretty close to the top, despite some very strong competition.

You appear unable to differentiate between the EU and Europe hence your comments about racism etc are an immediate 'fail'.

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th March 13:21

Your inability to differentiate between an exchange of opinions, and rebuking a dullard troubles me.
Perhaps if you read the explanation of why I consider the EU and Europe to be synonymous you could manage to be more constructive.

Racism possibly inflamed but I qualified what I meant in using it for those who continued to read.

I've travelled loads in Europe (and elsewhere) and will continue to do so. Love European cities. Rome, Florence, Amsterdam, Cannes, ski resorts, the Greek islands, Lithuania, Spain....all amazing places to visit and I would happily live in many of them if I could.

But I still don't think the UK needs to be a member of the EU to prosper and for the EU to reform itself and, in time, prosper too.

Doesn't make me a racist...

Rocky times ahead, but all will be fine.

[crankedup]

Mandalore said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

///ajd said:

davepoth said:

They aren't moving everything. What's extremely telling about (as far as I can tell) all of the bank announcements is that they're moving the absolute bare minimum amount of staff and work to the EU to meet the worst case scenario of no MFID II on Brexit day. London isn't a sinking ship.

That they are moving anything is a tragedy.

Brexit is a shambles.

Did vote leave admit "banks will move" - did they forget to print that on the bus?

Staggering how some shrug it off as "nothing to see".

You. just have been asked many times already perhaps, I may be wrong but I assume that you are employed in the finance industry? Or you are an importer of some discription?

So jobs moving to EU - this is fine with you?

Do you have an opinion or are you just one of the sheep who can't play the ball.

Simply asking an innocent question as politely as is possible, you seem to be a fragile kind judging by your response. Are you telling me that your job is going to upsticks to mainland europe within the eu zone?
Do you want to hear of my opinion , on what?

Simple - bank jobs moving to the EU - OK with you, no problem?

Ah! so as long as the bit of business `you' are involved in, that might gain a benefit by being in the EU is alright, there is `no problem' with many other UK jobs and businesses either being destroyed, or being moved to the EU (And with the added sting of using the money the UK has paid into the EU`s coffers to do it) Such as the UK`s fishing industry, or Ford plant at Southampton?
You have to do what is best for the UK as a whole, not just the little bit that effects you, which is why you must support Brexit totally, and not be a lackey for the EU monster.

Fishing Plus Transit workers annual income tax payments = Annual Income Tax from Finance & technology (and advertising, and service industry, and office suplly etc etc) Workers whose jobs are directly related to the EEC passport rules on selling products to other EU countries.

^^ Who knew


We missed a chance to Bankrupt RBS years earlier by offering Crankedup's free services as their chief economist and policy adviser.

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 29th March 15:04

Better, I guess you were one of the supporters of Tesco when I was talking about how bad the Management were 322439681639322439681639322439681639