I love the EU because...

[Disastrous]

Funkycoldribena said:

Disastrous said:

Whatever gets you off man. Picture me as big as you think you could manage.

You've gone pretty weird here so maybe sit the next couple of plays out, yeah?

I answered the question posed in the thread, you jumped in with yet another tedious dig that failed to work on any intelligent level and now you've gone 100% gay for me. You're a pretty odd guy.

I certainly don't come from your generic mould.
You started the picture me lark if you've already forgotten.
I'm just not part of the cup of tea brigade where we all get along nicely,lalala,unity with the EU lark,I just can't bury my head like you and pretend everything's wonderful.

Whatever. I don't agree with your view on things but so what? You're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone so whilst I might disagree or argue the toss over it, I don't see the value in just lurking on the sidelines and chucking in irrelevant digs now and then. That's obviously not going to convince me you're correct.

All it is going to do, is convince me and everybody else that you just aren't bright enough to get involved with a rational debate on something you disagree with. Now that may be true or it may be untrue but all know is what you post, which is absolutely jack st of any merit.

I'll leave you to your swimsuit daydreams - well done for completely derailing another thread with your irrelevant bullst.

[JawKnee]

Lefty said:

Why anyone would feel love for a political union and economic trade bloc of those countries I don't really know.

Isn't that largely what the UK is?

Things I like about the EU:
1) Our rebate
2) The single market
3) Being part of the Single Market without needing the Euro. A best of both worlds scenario for this country
4) This country having a seat at the top table and the power to influence and Veto parts of EU legislature.

We're currently members on very favourable terms which has benefited this country massively. Shame all that is about to be thrown away.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

...narrow minded insular moron...

Every single thread. Are you like this in real life?

[nyxster]

FN2TypeR said:

It provides me with cheap and easy access to a host of European cities where the booze is cheap and the prostitutes are visually appealing.

#wemustremain

[Pan Pan Pan]

JawKnee said:

Lefty said:

Why anyone would feel love for a political union and economic trade bloc of those countries I don't really know.

Isn't that largely what the UK is?

Things I like about the EU:
1) Our rebate
2) The single market
3) Being part of the Single Market without needing the Euro. A best of both worlds scenario for this country
4) This country having a seat at the top table and the power to influence and Veto parts of EU legislature.

We're currently members on very favourable terms which has benefited this country massively. Shame all that is about to be thrown away.

Tony Bliar gave away a large proportion of the UK`s hard d fought for EU rebate, for badly needed reforms to the CAP, (and hoping it would give him the shoo in to the EU presidents job). The EU took the extra UK taxpayers cash costing each man, woman, and child in the UK thousands of pounds a year, and then made no changes whatsoever to the CAP, and (thankfully) did not give Bliar the presidents job either.
The UK has never received a single net penny from the EU, as the UK has always paid far more into EU coffers, than it has ever received, and this has been the position for over 40 years.
Last year the UK / EU trade deficit was at a record 24 billion pounds, so the UK is being charged 10.8 billion pounds a year for the privilege of letting the EU sell more of its goods and services into the UK than the UK is able to sell into the EU.
When the UK joined the EEC, the EEC seized 80% of the fish stocks in UK territorial waters for which the UK received no compensation whatsoever, causing the economic and social decline of many UK coastal communities, and even this does not take into account the damage caused by the UK`s EU membership, to the UK steel, aluminium, and cement industries, and you call these favourable terms for the UK? Are you a traitor by any chance?

[Deptford Draylons]

JawKnee said:

Isn't that largely what the UK is?

Things I like about the EU:
1) Our rebate
2) The single market
3) Being part of the Single Market without needing the Euro. A best of both worlds scenario for this country
4) This country having a seat at the top table and the power to influence and Veto parts of EU legislature.

We're currently members on very favourable terms which has benefited this country massively. Shame all that is about to be thrown away.

We can continue the rebate thing if you find you miss it in a few years. Simply wire me £100 a week, and I'll send you a cheque back for £10.

[Disastrous]

Funkycoldribena said:

Disastrous said:

Whatever. I don't agree with your view on things but so what? You're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone so whilst I might disagree or argue the toss over it, I don't see the value in just lurking on the sidelines and chucking in irrelevant digs now and then. That's obviously not going to convince me you're correct.

All it is going to do, is convince me and everybody else that you just aren't bright enough to get involved with a rational debate on something you disagree with. Now that may be true or it may be untrue but all know is what you post, which is absolutely jack st of any merit.

I'll leave you to your swimsuit daydreams - well done for completely derailing another thread with your irrelevant bullst.

And you think you post anything of merit?
Just because you blabber on for several lines doesn't make it any more worth listening to your self righteous drivel.
I haven't derailed the thread at all,was pointing out your wishy washy liberal love everybody crap (taking the piss)when you turned it into the swimsuit lark and took it all serious.Look closer to home for derailment.

Still nothing?

Vacuous clown.

[aizvara]

I always liked being an EU citizen, largely in some undefinable, pretentious teenagey way, and later for the same reasons that Vocal Minority outlined in his first post.

And then, co-incidentally, freedom of movement meant that I met my girlfriend twenty odd years ago, and it also meant that she was able to stay so as to lead her life with me.

Having read this thread, and having thought about the whole situation again, I realize I still feel quite a bit of sorrow about us leaving. Underneath the anger.

[Pan Pan Pan]

aizvara said:

I always liked being an EU citizen, largely in some undefinable, pretentious teenagey way, and later for the same reasons that Vocal Minority outlined in his first post.

And then, co-incidentally, freedom of movement meant that I met my girlfriend twenty odd years ago, and it also meant that she was able to stay so as to lead her life with me.

Having read this thread, and having thought about the whole situation again, I realize I still feel quite a bit of sorrow about us leaving. Underneath the anger.

UK People were meeting and marrying partners from European countries, and vice versa, long before the EEC/EU was even thought of, Why do you think the EU has to exist before people can do this, or continue to do this?

[0a]

Stockholm syndrome. It's like loving the Gatso or the machine that charges you to validate your car park ticket.

[crankedup]

some mention has been made regarding freedom of movement of people being beneficial. Agreed it has been of benifit to the UK economy, that is not disputed. However this has come at a cost, a personal cost to millions of workers, mainly in the farming industries, hospitality, catering and building. The influx of cheap labour has suppressed and reduced wages within these industries for many years.
Perhaps these disaffected workers decided to vote 'leave' on the basis of the growing low wage economy within the UK.

It is argued that the lower paid jobs cannot be filled by the indigenous workers, perhaps the low wage on offer acts as a deterrent even though the Government subsidise this low pay from our taxes.

I agree with our PM, the UK needs to be a fairer more inclusive Country for everybody, not

[Hoofy]

Pan Pan Pan said:

aizvara said:

I always liked being an EU citizen, largely in some undefinable, pretentious teenagey way, and later for the same reasons that Vocal Minority outlined in his first post.

And then, co-incidentally, freedom of movement meant that I met my girlfriend twenty odd years ago, and it also meant that she was able to stay so as to lead her life with me.

Having read this thread, and having thought about the whole situation again, I realize I still feel quite a bit of sorrow about us leaving. Underneath the anger.

UK People were meeting and marrying partners from European countries, and vice versa, long before the EEC/EU was even thought of, Why do you think the EU has to exist before people can do this, or continue to do this?

Craziness. My parents met in this country and they came from outside Europe!

[JawKnee]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The UK has never received a single net penny from the EU, as the UK has always paid far more into EU coffers, than it has ever received, and this has been the position for over 40 years.

You do realise the net benefit of being part of the union is greater than the cost of our membership? If you don't yet, you soon will.

[Pan Pan Pan]

crankedup said:

some mention has been made regarding freedom of movement of people being beneficial. Agreed it has been of benifit to the UK economy, that is not disputed. However this has come at a cost, a personal cost to millions of workers, mainly in the farming industries, hospitality, catering and building. The influx of cheap labour has suppressed and reduced wages within these industries for many years.
Perhaps these disaffected workers decided to vote 'leave' on the basis of the growing low wage economy within the UK.

It is argued that the lower paid jobs cannot be filled by the indigenous workers, perhaps the low wage on offer acts as a deterrent even though the Government subsidise this low pay from our taxes.

I agree with our PM, the UK needs to be a fairer more inclusive Country for everybody, not

The problem seems to be that quite a large number of the indigenous population has seen the influx of people from outside of the UK (many of whom are prepared to work harder, for longer, for less) as the ideal opportunity to live a life on benefits, paid for from taxes provided by all those who want to work for a living.
If we could keep the hard working, including the immigrants who want to work, and get rid of the indigenous work shy, who want to live a parasitic life style paid for by those who work, the overall situation would be much better, Particularly for all those prepared to work and contribute into the system, rather than just sucking out of it.

[aizvara]

Pan Pan Pan said:

UK People were meeting and marrying partners from European countries, and vice versa, long before the EEC/EU was even thought of, Why do you think the EU has to exist before people can do this, or continue to do this?

I'm sure they were and I hope they will continue to do so. The question was "I love the EU because", which is a pretty personal turn of phrase, and this is personal to me. As explained: I liked the idea of the EU already, then co-incidentally I met someone from another EU country, who would not have been here and would not have been able to stay if it weren't for freedom of movement rules. I thought that was pretty clear.

Having said that, I imagine there are a fair few other couples and families who would not be as they are without the freedom of movement rules. And, as for the future, the UK has changed; bringing in partners, wives, or husbands from outside the EU is pretty tough these days (compared to when I met my girlfriend), so perhaps this sort of thing will not continue as much as before. Perhaps it will. None of that matters in any important political or economic sense, but it matters to me.

[Pan Pan Pan]

JawKnee said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The UK has never received a single net penny from the EU, as the UK has always paid far more into EU coffers, than it has ever received, and this has been the position for over 40 years.

You do realise the net benefit of being part of the union is greater than the cost of our membership? If you don't yet, you soon will.

Clearly the EU, and the government has not been able to show the people of the UK this, despite over 40 years of membership of the EEC/EU. If you know how to do this, why did you, and they, not show how the EU is an overall benefit to the UK in the run up to the referendum?
Perhaps it is because you simply cannot. I have yet to see anyone produce any facts on how being in the EU is good for the UK as a whole, only vague nebulous assertions, that being in the EU is good for the UK.
Tell that to the UK fishermen, or those who lost their jobs in the UK steel, aluminium, and cement and Ford vehicle manufacturing industries, and see what sort of response you get. You might need to add Vauxhall to the list of UK industries threatened by the EU.

[PH XKR]

Having briefly moved to Brussels for business I can categorically state it is no wonder Europe is such a socialist organization. These guys are without doubt the laziest, most disorganized bunch you would hope to ever meet. Great people, st drivers and even worse at organizing anything. Meeting at 10? OK weee turn up at around 11:30 and wonder where you are, zat ok?

[anonymous-user]

JawKnee said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The UK has never received a single net penny from the EU, as the UK has always paid far more into EU coffers, than it has ever received, and this has been the position for over 40 years.

You do realise the net benefit of being part of the union is greater than the cost of our membership? If you don't yet, you soon will.

I'd also like to see some proof of this statement

[JawKnee]

Pan Pan Pan said:

JawKnee said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The UK has never received a single net penny from the EU, as the UK has always paid far more into EU coffers, than it has ever received, and this has been the position for over 40 years.

You do realise the net benefit of being part of the union is greater than the cost of our membership? If you don't yet, you soon will.

Clearly the EU, and the government has not been able to show the people of the UK this, despite over 40 years of membership of the EEC/EU. If you know how to do this, why did you, and they, not show how the EU is an overall benefit to the UK in the run up to the referendum?
Perhaps it is because you simply cannot. I have yet to see anyone produce any facts on how being in the EU is good for the UK as a whole, only vague nebulous assertions, that being in the EU is good for the UK.
Tell that to the UK fishermen, or those who lost their jobs in the UK steel, aluminium, and cement and Ford vehicle manufacturing industries, and see what sort of response you get. You might need to add Vauxhall to the list of UK industries threatened by the EU.

Give it 5 years or so. A lot of people are going to wake up and wonder what the point of it all was. Nobody will admit to it now, Article 50 is about to be triggered, moods are sky high and people are optimistic, we will get absolutely everything we want in a deal wont we. Unfortunately reality always ends up biting at some point.

[Vocal Minority]

aizvara said:

Perhaps it will. None of that matters in any important political or economic sense, but it matters to me.

Just so.

I am not saying the decision should be reversed, I honestly don't think many are.

You think differently and that's grand - i'm not going to try and stop you. More power to you.

I just don't know why Brexiteers feel the need to keep trying to change peoples mind - you won...you got your way.