House of Commons shooting?

[rscott]

del mar said:

Had he been radicalised or just found the true meaning of Islam ?

Reading chapters 2, 4 and 7 and living your life around them may make you what we deem a good muslim.

I don't understand how reading all chapters and living your life around them makes an extremist ?

Those that ignore that negative violent verses are no worse or better than those who ignore the verses on love.

I always find it odd that Muslims are expected to follow every word of their holy book, yet no-one expects Christians or Jews to do the same.

[Puggit]

SmoothCriminal said:

So it was Michael Fallons close protection guards that took out the terrorist.

I imagine all police will be armed there from now on.

So almost definitely small arms only.

[Northern Munkee]

Named by Buzzfeed https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/this-is-the-ma...

52yr old, father, with a 5yr old son, hardly fits the profile of a disaffected angry young man/lone wolf. Born in Kent, convert. I wonder if we'll discover an unhappy man struggling with his identity and "fitting in" with country he was born in, but not feeling he belonged to.

[andymc]

rscott said:

del mar said:

Had he been radicalised or just found the true meaning of Islam ?

Reading chapters 2, 4 and 7 and living your life around them may make you what we deem a good muslim.

I don't understand how reading all chapters and living your life around them makes an extremist ?

Those that ignore that negative violent verses are no worse or better than those who ignore the verses on love.

I always find it odd that Muslims are expected to follow every word of their holy book, yet no-one expects Christians or Jews to do the same.

are you sure you haven't been radicalised?

[poo at Paul's]

Northern Munkee said:

Named by Buzzfeed https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/this-is-the-ma...

52yr old, father, with a 5yr old son, hardly fits the profile of a disaffected angry young man/lone wolf. Born in Kent, convert. I wonder if we'll discover an unhappy man struggling with his identity and "fitting in" with country he was born in, but not feeling he belonged to.

Father of three according to Sky.

Well that's great news if they've inherited his "fkwitt" gene.

[Alucidnation]

I have just skimmed through all 15 pages of this thread, and it really does show how many odd balls belong to this forum and thank fk i will never, ever meet any of them.

There are one or two posters that are sensibly contributing, but nearly all the rest appears to be complete garbage.

Takes all sorts i s'pose.

[Rude-boy]

BlackLabel said:

Sky News saying he was a Muslim convert.

Personal observation, not based in hard fact or knowledge.

It appears to me that, just as with once smokers turned non smokers, converts always seem that much more zealous than those that were born and raised.

[Northern Munkee]

Rude-boy said:

BlackLabel said:

Sky News saying he was a Muslim convert.

Personal observation, not based in hard fact or knowledge.

It appears to me that, just as with once smokers turned non smokers, converts always seem that much more zealous than those that were born and raised.

+1 only didn't draw the ex-smoker zealot analogy for fear of being accused of being flippant.

[Zod]

andymc said:

rscott said:

del mar said:

Had he been radicalised or just found the true meaning of Islam ?

Reading chapters 2, 4 and 7 and living your life around them may make you what we deem a good muslim.

I don't understand how reading all chapters and living your life around them makes an extremist ?

Those that ignore that negative violent verses are no worse or better than those who ignore the verses on love.

I always find it odd that Muslims are expected to follow every word of their holy book, yet no-one expects Christians or Jews to do the same.

are you sure you haven't been radicalised?

I think rscott is referring to the apparent expectation of some on PH that a devout Muslim will follow every word of the Quran, while a devout Christian or Jew will be more selective, in particula r in relation to internal contradictions and harmful medieval bits (as opposed to silly ones).

[HappyMidget]

Rude-boy said:

BlackLabel said:

Sky News saying he was a Muslim convert.

Personal observation, not based in hard fact or knowledge.

It appears to me that, just as with once smokers turned non smokers, converts always seem that much more zealous than those that were born and raised.

Born again Christians were a bloody nightmare at church when I was a yoof.

[Master Bean]

Alucidnation said:

I have just skimmed through all 15 pages of this thread, and it really does show how many odd balls belong to this forum and thank fk i will never, ever meet any of them.

Come to a Sunday Service. There are some decent friendly people there.

[Rude-boy]

Northern Munkee said:

+1 only didn't draw the ex-smoker zealot analogy for fear of being accused of being flippant.

I did think about it but thought that there should be enough people with half a brain (or more) on here to realise that it was most likely the easiest and most generally encountered analogous grouping to use.

[poo at Paul's]

Alucidnation said:

I have just skimmed through all 15 pages of this thread, and it really does show how many odd balls belong to this forum and thank fk i will never, ever meet any of them.

There are one or two posters that are sensibly contributing, but nearly all the rest appears to be complete garbage.

Takes all sorts i s'pose.

Which category should your contribution go into...?

[kelvink]

rscott said:

I always find it odd that Muslims are expected to follow every word of their holy book, yet no-one expects Christians or Jews to do the same.

It took a thousand years or more but over time both have been effectively 'neutered' like you would a cat.

Not so Islam. In most Islamic countries a Muslims religion overrides their politics. Put another way they believe 'God's laws come before Man's laws' no matter how democratic those states might like to think they are.

[Disastrous]

bmw535i said:

Disastrous said:

By exposed to the danger I had assumed you meant "being in large, hub type places full of people" - I didn't mean that seeing guards was being exposed to danger.

Can you explain what sort of exposure you mean? I'd argue that travelling through Schipol/Wherever is comparable to walking across Westminster Bridge in terms of danger from terrorists...

That said, I'm perfectly well aware that more happens behind the scenes and that more plots are foiled than succeed. I applaud the men and women who do this work but I don't want to live in a Police state. End of story for me.

I said exposure to the bigger picture. I.e. You don't understand the threat.

I'm pretty sure I do.

Maybe just accept that I don't think you can put a price on liberty and leave it at that?

[del mar]

Zod said:

andymc said:

rscott said:

del mar said:

Had he been radicalised or just found the true meaning of Islam ?

Reading chapters 2, 4 and 7 and living your life around them may make you what we deem a good muslim.

I don't understand how reading all chapters and living your life around them makes an extremist ?

Those that ignore that negative violent verses are no worse or better than those who ignore the verses on love.

I always find it odd that Muslims are expected to follow every word of their holy book, yet no-one expects Christians or Jews to do the same.

are you sure you haven't been radicalised?

I think rscott is referring to the apparent expectation of some on PH that a devout Muslim will follow every word of the Quran, while a devout Christian or Jew will be more selective, in particula r in relation to internal contradictions and harmful medieval bits (as opposed to silly ones).

They aren't nobody expects them to follow any or all aspects of their book, but somebody that does is not a bad / extreme muslim, they are simply a Muslim. Their Religious book is the word of God, I am not sure you can pick or choose which of gods words you like.

There was an article on an undercover Islamic School being discovered in Luton - I think, there was concern that some extreme things were being taught;

Women as second class citizens, Jews being lower than pigs and dogs etc etc

The parents would have been horrified if they thought that we believed them to be extremists - they have no plans to go to Syria, no plans to blow themselves up, they are simply reading about traditional Islamic Values.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Whilst a factor that seems to link all the terror attacks here and in Europe, and the Middle East to eachother is the perpetrators doing it `in the name of Islam' the fact is, that really they are just deranged extremists, and we have had those from all over the place, and from many different religions.
The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
If something makes itself look like a venomous snake, act like a venomous snake, and kill like a venomous snake, or allows others to carry out the actions of a venomous snake in its name. then it is best for those around them to start treating it as though were a venomous snake until proven otherwise, and for those who don't want this label applied to them, to do something about it.
Otherwise they can hardly be surprised if those about them, tend to start treating them, and their religion as if it is a venomous snake. (At least until this has been proven to be false by the `true' followers of Islam)
But of course in the meantime, terrorists want Islam to be separated and ostracized from society, so as to bring some kind of warped legitimacy to their attacks on non Islam innocent people.

[Old Tyke]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Whilst a factor that seems to link all the terror attacks here and in Europe, and the Middle East to eachother is the perpetrators doing it `in the name of Islam' the fact is, that really they are just deranged extremists, and we have had those from all over the place, and from many different religions.
The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.

No, they don't do they. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be..

[p1stonhead]

Is there a particular reason that (if my memory serves me correctly) a lot/most of these bad guys seem to reside in the West Midlands?

[Mintbird]

entire middle east and africa (save for the few slots of land which are completely drugged on oil money) is pretty much a sthole.

draw your own conclusions as to why that is. Cursed land?

Worry not though, with the rampant population growth in afrian countries, a cool 100 million are gonna wake up one morning and figure they fancy europe, at which point it will inevitably look v. similar here...