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poo at Paul's said:
Alucidnation said:
I have just skimmed through all 15 pages of this thread, and it really does show how many odd balls belong to this forum and thank f
k i will never, ever meet any of them.
There are one or two posters that are sensibly contributing, but nearly all the rest appears to be complete garbage.
Takes all sorts i s'pose.
Which category should your contribution go into...?k i will never, ever meet any of them.There are one or two posters that are sensibly contributing, but nearly all the rest appears to be complete garbage.
Takes all sorts i s'pose.
Mintbird said:
entire middle east and africa (save for the few slots of land which are completely drugged on oil money) is pretty much a sthole.
draw your own conclusions as to why that is. Cursed land?
Worry not though, with the rampant population growth in afrian countries, a cool 100 million are gonna wake up one morning and figure they fancy europe, at which point it will inevitably look v. similar here...
Of course they are thole. draw your own conclusions as to why that is. Cursed land?
Worry not though, with the rampant population growth in afrian countries, a cool 100 million are gonna wake up one morning and figure they fancy europe, at which point it will inevitably look v. similar here...
http://salisburyreview.com/2017/03/westminster-bri...
"There is a saying: “When Allah is strong, God is weak.” God is not weak, but Christianity in Europe has evaporated – or rather it has been banished from public life by the forces of militant secularism.
Muslims have been telling us for the whole of those 1400 years that their aim is the conquest of Europe. They have never stopped announcing this intention. So why do we not believe them?
The Islamic cause is greatly assisted by our suicidal policy of allowing mass immigration and by the far higher birth rate in the Muslim population.
I don’t blame the Muslims for wanting to acquire Europe. It’s a much better place than the filthy, barbaric countries from which the millions of immigrants and would-be conquerors emerge."
"There is a saying: “When Allah is strong, God is weak.” God is not weak, but Christianity in Europe has evaporated – or rather it has been banished from public life by the forces of militant secularism.
Muslims have been telling us for the whole of those 1400 years that their aim is the conquest of Europe. They have never stopped announcing this intention. So why do we not believe them?
The Islamic cause is greatly assisted by our suicidal policy of allowing mass immigration and by the far higher birth rate in the Muslim population.
I don’t blame the Muslims for wanting to acquire Europe. It’s a much better place than the filthy, barbaric countries from which the millions of immigrants and would-be conquerors emerge."
del mar said:
There was an article on an undercover Islamic School being discovered in Luton - I think, there was concern that some extreme things were being taught;
Women as second class citizens, Jews being lower than pigs and dogs etc etc
The parents would have been horrified if they thought that we believed them to be extremists - they have no plans to go to Syria, no plans to blow themselves up, they are simply reading about traditional Islamic Values.
So that just proves that the parents are backward fWomen as second class citizens, Jews being lower than pigs and dogs etc etc
The parents would have been horrified if they thought that we believed them to be extremists - they have no plans to go to Syria, no plans to blow themselves up, they are simply reading about traditional Islamic Values.
kwits as well then, no?Pan Pan Pan said:
Stuff I agree with
Exactly! I have been saying this for quite some time now. It is instantly shot down as the western media don't publicise these Islamic condemnations etc. I have to say I struggle to find evidence of it.Any kind of progress MUST come from the 'Western followers of Islam' imho. The extremists/hardliners desire to offer a them or us situation to muslims living in the west. It is hard I am sure, as any kind of outward display of sympathy with the west is taught as being off limits.
You even see it regularly on here from the usual sympathisers. There is always a caveat, always a but.........
Never a full on condemnation, if nothing else, you really must admire their faith and loyalty.
It is such a shame as I, like most other sane people, realise the vast majority of peaceful followers of Islam resident in the UK want an end to all this too. It is those people who need to dig deep and find their voice. It will be difficult for these communities I am sure but they really do need to align themselves with the UK more. If their elders/seniors take umbrage with that, unlucky.
Old Tyke said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Whilst a factor that seems to link all the terror attacks here and in Europe, and the Middle East to eachother is the perpetrators doing it `in the name of Islam' the fact is, that really they are just deranged extremists, and we have had those from all over the place, and from many different religions.
The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
No, they don't do they. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be.. The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
Old Tyke said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Whilst a factor that seems to link all the terror attacks here and in Europe, and the Middle East to eachother is the perpetrators doing it `in the name of Islam' the fact is, that really they are just deranged extremists, and we have had those from all over the place, and from many different religions.
The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
No, they don't do they. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be.. The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
They've been using one of their annual holy days to protest for several years, but with very limited media exposure.
eg http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/l... and
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-ashur... .
Edited by rscott on Thursday 23 March 17:29
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Probably the same reason I didn't ask the Muslim guy who sits behind me at work to apologise or go on a protest march - because he's a normal bloke and what happened is nothing to do with him.
There is a good chance of it however...A study of 100,ooo said
52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal, compared to 22% of non-Muslim Britons. Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children. At the same time, almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized. Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-mu...
Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 23 March 17:24
rscott said:
Probably because they can't get on the streets for all the white Christians marching with their Not in my name banners.. You know the ones - they're out every week trying to distance themselves from the many members of the church who've committed paedophilia.
Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
This is exactly what I mean.Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
A 'whataboutism' followed by a caveat - and around we go again.
Why is it so hard to condemn the actions of Muslim terrorists without saying 'but christians' or 'most muslims are peaceful'?
We know all that FFS...
MrNoisy said:
rscott said:
Probably because they can't get on the streets for all the white Christians marching with their Not in my name banners.. You know the ones - they're out every week trying to distance themselves from the many members of the church who've committed paedophilia.
Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
This is exactly what I mean.Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
A 'whataboutism' followed by a caveat - and around we go again.
Why is it so hard to condemn the actions of Muslim terrorists without saying 'but christians' or 'most muslims are peaceful'?
We know all that FFS...
I'd much rather hear IS saying they're going to give it up than a bunch of unconnected people saying "yeah, they shouldn't be doing that..."
What on earth does it achieve?
Stickyfinger said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Probably the same reason I didn't ask the Muslim guy who sits behind me at work to apologise or go on a protest march - because he's a normal bloke and what happened is nothing to do with him.
There is a good chance of it however...A study of 100,ooo said
52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal, compared to 22% of non-Muslim Britons. Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children. At the same time, almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized. Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-mu...
Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 23 March 17:24
http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/muslims-and-isla... tend to be more wideranging and larger sample base surveys.
rscott said:
Old Tyke said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Whilst a factor that seems to link all the terror attacks here and in Europe, and the Middle East to eachother is the perpetrators doing it `in the name of Islam' the fact is, that really they are just deranged extremists, and we have had those from all over the place, and from many different religions.
The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
No, they don't do they. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be.. The problem for non Muslims is that any attempts by the West to crack down on these attacks will, almost probably be interpreted as an attack on Islam, by the extremists. It is for the real Muslims themselves to deal with these extremists who use the name Islam and religion, as an excuse to perpetrate these attacks.
True followers should carry out protest marches after every one of these attacks, with banners proclaiming Not in my name, or the name of Islam, only they don't seem to do this.
Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
My Muslim neighbour has been on two London marches, I do not have them as a marcher, but you never know.
the first was to the Israeli embassy protesting at their invasion of poor Palestine, following the abduction and murder of the two Israeli soldiers, when questioned about the soldiers their response was almost "what soldiers ?" They are from Pakistan and as far as I am aware have never been to Palestine. But they feel a solidarity with their "brothers and sisters" at the other side of the world in a country they have never been to.
The second was on the US embassy to stop drone strikes in the northern border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan, where the lovely children live.
I must have missed then going on the anti extremist march, that said I have never seen them with an "islam will dominate the world banner either"
Old Tyke said:
rscott said:
Serious response - there have been many protest marches where Muslims condemn the actions of the extremists, but for some reason they aren't covered by the mainstream media. Wonder why that might be...
The media can't cover something that never happens.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslims-march...
or this
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-ashur...
rscott said:
The infamous survey for Channel 4. Where they only included Muslims who live in areas where over 20% of the population are Muslim because it was too expensive to travel further? That simple cost saving meant they excluded 50% of the UK population and a disproportionate number of those who are more likely to have integrated more.
http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/muslims-and-isla... tend to be more wideranging and larger sample base surveys.
But still a massive number......http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/muslims-and-isla... tend to be more wideranging and larger sample base surveys.
Disastrous said:
Why on earth do you care about condemnations from the people who aren't terrorists??
I'd much rather hear IS saying they're going to give it up than a bunch of unconnected people saying "yeah, they shouldn't be doing that..."
What on earth does it achieve?
Because it would reassure an awful lot of people whilst also disarming those who seek to use Islam as a weapon. Why do you think hard liners seek to increase division and focus on differences? It would build bridges in communities and the nation for sure.I'd much rather hear IS saying they're going to give it up than a bunch of unconnected people saying "yeah, they shouldn't be doing that..."
What on earth does it achieve?
I doubt ISIS are likely to do as you say, they seem quite committed to their cause.
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