House of Commons shooting?
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Old Tyke said:
rscott said:
What are you babbling about? Read the huffpo article. It's a holy day observed for 2 different reasons (Shia - death of Muhammed's grandson, Sunnis- Moses parting the Red Sea and saving the Israelites).
They march to mark the holy day and protest against ISIS - it's obvious they're doing it to try and make it clear that they don't consider ISIS part of their Muslim faith.
Just like the many Muslim scholars who wrote the Letter to Baghdadi. It was an open letter to ISIS condemning them and explaining how their actions contradicted the teachings of the religion they allege to be fighting for. ( https://www.rt.com/news/190468-muslim-scholars-isl... & http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-sc... ) .
Muslim clerics have issued fatwas against ISIS too.
Many Muslims simply don't see ISIS as part of their religion.
Right, so nothing to do with protesting about their own people mass murdering innocent white European's then. Thanks for the confirmation.They march to mark the holy day and protest against ISIS - it's obvious they're doing it to try and make it clear that they don't consider ISIS part of their Muslim faith.
Just like the many Muslim scholars who wrote the Letter to Baghdadi. It was an open letter to ISIS condemning them and explaining how their actions contradicted the teachings of the religion they allege to be fighting for. ( https://www.rt.com/news/190468-muslim-scholars-isl... & http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-sc... ) .
Muslim clerics have issued fatwas against ISIS too.
Many Muslims simply don't see ISIS as part of their religion.
I wonder how long it will be until you're spouting your usual rubbish about them being misunderstood and how we mustn't confuse them with "moderate Muslims".
You do realise ISIS have murdered thousands of Muslims? They've killed more Muslims in a single bomb attack than they have in all the attacks in Europe.
Old Tyke said:
So a mere 3000 in 2015 and a handful (from the pics) in 2016? Yes, that's really going to make a difference. I also see you carefully forgot to mention that this protest was specifically in name of one of their own being killed. Where are all the protests over their own people carrying out mass murders of white European's?
Why would anyone need to protest? 'their own people'? Who are 'your own people'?g4ry13 said:
This picture has been going around apparently (with various captions) - not sure whether that's fake, some say it is and others that it's not and they've seen other angles of it too.
Divisive and unhelpful picture.Even if 'real' I can tell you as someone who has close links to areas of the media that you can pick one still out of many thousands of frames of any video, or indeed one picture out of many, which will give you a totally different impression of the situation depicted to the truth. The statement "The camera does not lie" is not entirely accurate, nor has it ever been.
Taking that picture - the injured person on the ground is clearly being attended to as best as possible. What could the woman in the head scarf do to help further? Perhaps she has only just been let out of one of the many buildings which were locked down, have no medical training of any sort and have been told to get out of the vicinity as swiftly as possible by the Police.
If i were so minded I am sure that I can find you many stills of pasty skinned 'heros' with their iPhones out recording events before them and making no attempt to help.
Europa1 said:
It's done the rounds on this thread already. Another caption could be "Person phoning loved ones to let them know she is alright" - who knows what the circumstances were.
Or 'Person takes photo of other person not helping injured person rather than helping injured person themsleves'Old Tyke said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Old Tyke said:
So a mere 3000 in 2015 and a handful (from the pics) in 2016? Yes, that's really going to make a difference. I also see you carefully forgot to mention that this protest was specifically in name of one of their own being killed. Where are all the protests over their own people carrying out mass murders of white European's?
What number would make you happy?And please stop and think about the "mass murders of white European's" comment - do you genuinely think that in any of these attacks the attacker(s) swerved out of the way or tried to avoid harming anyone who wasn't "white European"?
Listening to politicians on the radio now - never quite understand the "we won't let it change us, they will never win" attitude......surley there are only really two types of people following these things. 99.9% of folk who think "thank fk it wasn't me, and statistically....more likley to be hit by a bus" and 0.01% who are dead/run over or the family of someone who was - and they REALLY are changed.
Just seem such pointless empty words.....Katie Hopkins in the Mail (calm down!) summed it up today quite well.
k it wasn't me, and statistically....more likley to be hit by a bus" and 0.01% who are dead/run over or the family of someone who was - and they REALLY are changed.Just seem such pointless empty words.....Katie Hopkins in the Mail (calm down!) summed it up today quite well.
jjlynn27 said:
Old Tyke said:
So a mere 3000 in 2015 and a handful (from the pics) in 2016? Yes, that's really going to make a difference. I also see you carefully forgot to mention that this protest was specifically in name of one of their own being killed. Where are all the protests over their own people carrying out mass murders of white European's?
Why would anyone need to protest? 'their own people'? Who are 'your own people'?johnxjsc1985 said:
Exactly the poor girl could have been scared stiff and in Shock.
And if she'd been there five minutes earlier she could also have been killed, something people seem to conveniently forget when they see whatever the hell it is they think they see in photos such as that one.johnxjsc1985 said:
Europa1 said:
It's done the rounds on this thread already. Another caption could be "Person phoning loved ones to let them know she is alright" - who knows what the circumstances were.
Exactly the poor girl could have been scared stiff and in Shock.f
k people who do this type of st. bhstewie said:
hstewie said:johnxjsc1985 said:
Exactly the poor girl could have been scared stiff and in Shock.
And if she'd been there five minutes earlier she could also have been killed, something people seem to conveniently forget when they see whatever the hell it is they think they see in photos such as that one.You put 10 people in the situation where someone is being attended to, and 8 of them will not know how to help. If nobody was helping the casualty maybe her reaction would have been different until someone else came along that knew what they were doing.
All speculation in my behalf, but I find the insinuation behind that caption extremely unfair on the girl.
rscott said:
You do realise ISIS have murdered thousands of Muslims? They've killed more Muslims in a single bomb attack than they have in all the attacks in Europe.
Well that makes it alright then! 
You claimed that the Muslim community have protests against Islamic Extremism yet 1. you can only provide evidence of this from two small marches which virtually nobody noticed and 2. you then go on to admit that they'd have been having the marches anyway as it's a Holy Day and yearly tradition.
How many Muslims are their in the UK? Millions.
How many can be seen protesting against Islamic Extremism? ....
No further questions your honour.
Old Tyke said:
So a mere 3000 in 2015 and a handful (from the pics) in 2016? Yes, that's really going to make a difference. I also see you carefully forgot to mention that this protest was specifically in name of one of their own being killed. Where are all the protests over their own people carrying out mass murders of white European's?
This is partly why, no?Plenty of people know most muslims aren't extremists, so the protest is irrelevant.
Most muslims know they're not extremists, and those that are extremists will ignore the protests anyway. Because they don't see the protesters as proper muslims.
Plenty of Muslims are from other branches, so for them protesting is like the archbishop of Canterbury apologising for the Pope.
So the only people paying attention are people like you. And plenty of them won't be happy because the protest isn't big enough. Or because they've read that Muslims have a special word for lying to infidels or some other Horlicks.
Horrific for those involved. RIP to those who have lost their lives (Obviously excepting the pointless waste of space who caused all this.), and a swift recovery for the injured.
Old Tyke said:
rscott said:
You do realise ISIS have murdered thousands of Muslims? They've killed more Muslims in a single bomb attack than they have in all the attacks in Europe.
Well that makes it alright then! You claimed that the Muslim community have protests against Islamic Extremism yet 1. you can only provide evidence of this from two small marches which virtually nobody noticed and 2. you then go on to admit that they'd have been having the marches anyway as it's a Holy Day and yearly tradition.
How many Muslims are their in the UK? Millions.
How many can be seen protesting against Islamic Extremism? ....
No further questions your honour.
king zero. MrNoisy said:
I'm suggesting that maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of muslims (who are super nice peace loving people) can't express their true feelings about what is happening because their faith forbids it.
If there were a little more vocal approval of the West, it's values and it's beliefs from these communities then maybe, just maybe communities would come together a bit more and it would disarm the divisional tactics of the 'very limited' number of people who are (incorrectly) waging war in the name of Islam.
Generally people are not quick to apologise for things they do not associate them selves with. I imagine the vast majority of muslims you speak of simply do not associate them selves with terrorists, and therefore do not feel the need to act as a counter balance.If there were a little more vocal approval of the West, it's values and it's beliefs from these communities then maybe, just maybe communities would come together a bit more and it would disarm the divisional tactics of the 'very limited' number of people who are (incorrectly) waging war in the name of Islam.
Maybe, just maybe, if there was a little less talk of 'these communities' and a little less focus on people who have no reason to take any blame and a little more focus on the elements of our society that wish to wage a war on the west then our entire community could move forward more effectively - attitudes at the moment are I think extremely counter productive. The sharing of that picture is a prime example. Designed only to fuel hatred and division.
This big media fan fare and the divisiveness on social media must have your local ISIS recruiter watching on in glee. It is exactly what they want.
Edited by gregs656 on Thursday 23 March 18:50
gregs656 said:
Generally people are not quick to apologise for things they do not associate them selves with. I imagine the vast majority of muslims you speak of simply do not associate them selves with terrorists, and therefore do not feel the need to act as a counter balance.
Maybe, just maybe, if there was a little less talk of 'these communities' and a little less focus on people who have no reason to take any blame and a little more focus on the elements of our society that wish to wage a war on the west then our entire community could move forward more effectively - attitudes at the moment are I think extremely counter productive. The sharing of that picture is a prime example. Designed only to fuel hatred and division.
This big media fan fare and the divisiveness on social media must have your local ISIS recruiter watching on in glee. It is exactly what they want.
http://isisnotinmyname.com/Maybe, just maybe, if there was a little less talk of 'these communities' and a little less focus on people who have no reason to take any blame and a little more focus on the elements of our society that wish to wage a war on the west then our entire community could move forward more effectively - attitudes at the moment are I think extremely counter productive. The sharing of that picture is a prime example. Designed only to fuel hatred and division.
This big media fan fare and the divisiveness on social media must have your local ISIS recruiter watching on in glee. It is exactly what they want.
Bill said:
This is partly why, no?
Plenty of people know most muslims aren't extremists, so the protest is irrelevant.
Most muslims know they're not extremists, and those that are extremists will ignore the protests anyway. Because they don't see the protesters as proper muslims.
Oh really?Plenty of people know most muslims aren't extremists, so the protest is irrelevant.
Most muslims know they're not extremists, and those that are extremists will ignore the protests anyway. Because they don't see the protesters as proper muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8tFH5yIvsQ
1:10 onwards.
Old Tyke said:
Bill said:
This is partly why, no?
Plenty of people know most muslims aren't extremists, so the protest is irrelevant.
Most muslims know they're not extremists, and those that are extremists will ignore the protests anyway. Because they don't see the protesters as proper muslims.
Oh really?Plenty of people know most muslims aren't extremists, so the protest is irrelevant.
Most muslims know they're not extremists, and those that are extremists will ignore the protests anyway. Because they don't see the protesters as proper muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8tFH5yIvsQ
1:10 onwards.
If you actually find out what it means, it's when a Muslim may lie about their faith to save their own life when in mortal danger.
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