House of Commons shooting?
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Vaud said:
They are locked up. They serve a sentence after a trial by peers. That's how it works.
Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
If necessary yes. If you recall the released chap from Guantanamo who was reportedly compensated by the UK went on to commit terrorist acts.Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
Edited by Vaud on Thursday 23 March 19:58
I am unsure what relevance my employment has. I only speak for myself.
Old Tyke said:
Surely not that naive?? Have the reports of schools within the UK where Islamic Extremism is being taught escaped you then? And those are only the ones that have been reported. How many more don't we know about? Given that this is happening right on our own front doorstep with little being done about it because of the fear of repurcussions from the Muslim community, it's pretty obvious that Islamic Extremism will be being taught on a mass scale in Islamic countries as well. It's only a matter until the atrocities like what happened yesterday become the norm rather than the exception and then people will be crying "how come we didn't see this coming?" by which point it will be too late.
Thats some amazing paranioa.bmw535i said:
Vaud said:
They are locked up. They serve a sentence after a trial by peers. That's how it works.
Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
If necessary yes. If you recall the released chap from Guantanamo who was reportedly compensated by the UK went on to commit terrorist acts.Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
Edited by Vaud on Thursday 23 March 19:58
I am unsure what relevance my employment has. I only speak for myself.
Dusty964 said:
Old Tyke said:
Surely not that naive?? Have the reports of schools within the UK where Islamic Extremism is being taught escaped you then? And those are only the ones that have been reported. How many more don't we know about? Given that this is happening right on our own front doorstep with little being done about it because of the fear of repurcussions from the Muslim community, it's pretty obvious that Islamic Extremism will be being taught on a mass scale in Islamic countries as well. It's only a matter until the atrocities like what happened yesterday become the norm rather than the exception and then people will be crying "how come we didn't see this coming?" by which point it will be too late.
Thats some amazing paranoia.Dusty964 said:
Old Tyke said:
Surely not that naive?? Have the reports of schools within the UK where Islamic Extremism is being taught escaped you then? And those are only the ones that have been reported. How many more don't we know about? Given that this is happening right on our own front doorstep with little being done about it because of the fear of repercussions from the Muslim community, it's pretty obvious that Islamic Extremism will be being taught on a mass scale in Islamic countries as well. It's only a matter of time until the atrocities like what happened yesterday become the norm rather than the exception and then people will be crying "how come we didn't see this coming?" by which point it will be too late.
Thats some amazing paranioa.Edit: typos
Edited by Old Tyke on Thursday 23 March 20:12
gregs656 said:
MrNoisy said:
Again, nobody is asking for an apology, why would you suggest so? I'm not pointing any blame. Read what I said again, your preconceptions of what I am saying are very telling.
No apology required from any communities (they do exist trust me), all i'm suggesting is that the people who could bring differing societies together are the vast vast majority of muslims in the UK that are peace loving. I actually believe they want to integrate more but are forbidden by their religious teachers and teachings.
Why do so many people on here jump to 'take a side' so quickly. Perhaps if we realised we were on the same side things might improve. I wonder sometimes if some people don't wish to be part of the West at all? Maybe I am being too optimistic?
The pictures do nothing for me but thanks for posting.
If you read what I say you will see I went on to say that people are reluctant to provide a counter balance to something they don't associate themselves with. I have no preconceptions of what you say, I think are positions are quite close. The nuance is that I imagine the vast majority Muslims you speak of feel no more need to speak out about western values your average white person. It is just part of their life. They don't feel like they are part of a differing society, this is their society. You are perceiving a division they do not and then expecting them to do something about it.No apology required from any communities (they do exist trust me), all i'm suggesting is that the people who could bring differing societies together are the vast vast majority of muslims in the UK that are peace loving. I actually believe they want to integrate more but are forbidden by their religious teachers and teachings.
Why do so many people on here jump to 'take a side' so quickly. Perhaps if we realised we were on the same side things might improve. I wonder sometimes if some people don't wish to be part of the West at all? Maybe I am being too optimistic?
The pictures do nothing for me but thanks for posting.
The pictures were not meant to do anything for you. They are just other snapshots of the bridge that woman walked across, with other people walking past and not involving them selves. A great shame that some one decided to focus on one woman being as human as everyone else on that bridge.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bri...
Edited by zygalski on Thursday 23 March 20:16
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
Vaud said:
They are locked up. They serve a sentence after a trial by peers. That's how it works.
Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
If necessary yes. If you recall the released chap from Guantanamo who was reportedly compensated by the UK went on to commit terrorist acts.Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
Edited by Vaud on Thursday 23 March 19:58
I am unsure what relevance my employment has. I only speak for myself.
MrNoisy said:
Disastrous said:
Only people who are stupid enough to think all Muslims are terrorists. Why on earth should they have to appease them?
Will you apologise to Muslim countries for British or US military interventions? Why not? It might build bridges...
And of course IS won't say they'll stop, but as they're the ones doing it, they're the on,y ones I really care about.
Nice Mr Choudray down the street condemning it carries approximately the same weight as my mother doing so. It's utterly irrelevant as these people aren't the perpetrators. Unless you think they actually are? In which case, why would they condemn them??
Wow, ok.Will you apologise to Muslim countries for British or US military interventions? Why not? It might build bridges...
And of course IS won't say they'll stop, but as they're the ones doing it, they're the on,y ones I really care about.
Nice Mr Choudray down the street condemning it carries approximately the same weight as my mother doing so. It's utterly irrelevant as these people aren't the perpetrators. Unless you think they actually are? In which case, why would they condemn them??
I think you may have misunderstood what i'm saying or you have a bit of bias. I'm not saying anything contentious or suggesting muslims should apologise.
I'm not suggesting you have to walk down the street with your underpants on your head denouncing your faith.
I'm suggesting that maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of muslims (who are super nice peace loving people) can't express their true feelings about what is happening because their faith forbids it.
If there were a little more vocal approval of the West, it's values and it's beliefs from these communities then maybe, just maybe communities would come together a bit more and it would disarm the divisional tactics of the 'very limited' number of people who are (incorrectly) waging war in the name of Islam.
I think what i'm saying (however fanciful) is actually quite nice.
You sound a bit 'anti-western'. Is that fair to say?
Definitely not anti-western. Perhaps I'm picking you up wrongly but to me, integrated Muslims are already anti-terrorism and have nothing to do with this. As such, hearing them distance themselves from it carries the same sort of weight as the say the Jewish community distancing themselves from it (to me).
If actual radical Islam started to build bridges then I guess it might mean something to me, but they obviously won't. It just feels a bit like expecting the people who are already on your team to prove they're on your team. And you'd only do that if you thought they weren't really. And if they weren't really, they wouldn't do it...so you end up in a big circle.
Not having a go at you - I just don't see the point
fatboy18 said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
Vaud said:
They are locked up. They serve a sentence after a trial by peers. That's how it works.
Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
If necessary yes. If you recall the released chap from Guantanamo who was reportedly compensated by the UK went on to commit terrorist acts.Or are you suggesting lifetime internment without trial?
Forgive me if my memory is faulty, but are you serving forces or ex-forces? I recall earlier threads. You are entitled to your view, but I am curious if any events have informed your view from a personal standpoint.
Edited by Vaud on Thursday 23 March 19:58
I am unsure what relevance my employment has. I only speak for myself.
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limpsfield said:
bmw535i said:
How wouldn't it? If he was locked up he couldn't have done what he did 
How many do you reckon we would end up locking up? Genuine question. And then, while we are locking all of these ne'er do wells up, what do you reckon the impact will be on those who have never been fingered by the law but have some sympathies with the interred?
I think our police stations will be inundated as they all turn up to hand themselves in.
Just let him fester. As he states, he's confused, poor soul. Treating him as an adult will only make him feel as if someone is interested in his contributions.
Old Tyke said:
Dusty964 said:
Old Tyke said:
Surely not that naive?? Have the reports of schools within the UK where Islamic Extremism is being taught escaped you then? And those are only the ones that have been reported. How many more don't we know about? Given that this is happening right on our own front doorstep with little being done about it because of the fear of repercussions from the Muslim community, it's pretty obvious that Islamic Extremism will be being taught on a mass scale in Islamic countries as well. It's only a matter of time until the atrocities like what happened yesterday become the norm rather than the exception and then people will be crying "how come we didn't see this coming?" by which point it will be too late.
Thats some amazing paranioa.Edit: typos
Edited by Old Tyke on Thursday 23 March 20:12
A less threatening place would be hard to imagine- even for the terminally hard of thinking.
A few brainwashed zealots will never suddenly cause terror attacks to 'become the norm'.
Dusty964 said:
'People like me' would be people that live in a Muslim country. Who find it to be the safest and most peaceful place they have had the good fortune to live and are surrounded by people who follow the Muslim faith each and every day.
A less threatening place would be hard to imagine
Funniest post I've seen on here for a long time. Let me guess : you're a huge supporter of Islam and everything it stands for?A less threatening place would be hard to imagine
Old Tyke said:
Dusty964 said:
'People like me' would be people that live in a Muslim country. Who find it to be the safest and most peaceful place they have had the good fortune to live and are surrounded by people who follow the Muslim faith each and every day.
A less threatening place would be hard to imagine
Funniest post I've seen on here for a long time.A less threatening place would be hard to imagine
Derek Smith said:
Don't, for every god's sake, ask him questions. It only encourages him (or her). The man defines himself by the car he would like to own.
Just let him fester. As he states, he's confused, poor soul. Treating him as an adult will only make him feel as if someone is interested in his contributions.
I'm not sure what car you think I would like to own?Just let him fester. As he states, he's confused, poor soul. Treating him as an adult will only make him feel as if someone is interested in his contributions.
bmw535i said:
I am unsure what relevance my employment has. I only speak for myself.
As I recall, you are currently serving in the Army? If so, you may wish to re-aquaint yourself with social media guidelines - even if you aren't personally identifiable, you can't separate the two. If you aren't in the Army and your prior posts were just online persona/a made up profile then reconsider your posting content attaching you to the Army.
Remember some of the tests of social media/forum posting from the services:
- What if this ends up on the front page of the papers?
- Would I say this to my CO in front of 100 people?
- Would I leave this information lying on a park bench?
- What if a terrorist or criminal gets this information?
I only suggest that, not to stop you posting (though I don't always agree with your comments they are generally within bounds), but more that I don't want you to get into trouble if your posts were misconstrued or taken out of context...
Ho hum.
Old Tyke said:
Dusty964 said:
'People like me' would be people that live in a Muslim country. Who find it to be the safest and most peaceful place they have had the good fortune to live and are surrounded by people who follow the Muslim faith each and every day.
A less threatening place would be hard to imagine
Funniest post I've seen on here for a long time. Let me guess : you're a huge supporter of Islam and everything it stands for?A less threatening place would be hard to imagine
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