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bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
Hello, is that the anti-terrorism investigation line. I've heard that Mr bmw535i looks a bit like a terrorist. And well since I'm an associate of his and I dont want to get deported if he is, I need to report him just in case. Oh, a bit of a back log? Ah well I'm sure you'll catch up and release him sooner or later if he's not a threat. No I'm sure he'll understand and not want compensation...
Compensation you say? Can't wait, it'll fund my activities no end. Can't wait to be released and them go and commit terrorist acts. 
Erm, am I allowed beer?
Motor vehicle
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Deisel container
Bleach
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Kitchen timer
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If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
mcdjl said:
Sorry, that's no compensation. Anyway, glad you're being cooperative. Do you own any of the following:
Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
I could be yes, but I'm not, same as most other people aren't. Those that are, or known to be involved on the 'periphery' should be detained - in my opinion.Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
Sorry, that's no compensation. Anyway, glad you're being cooperative. Do you own any of the following:
Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
I could be yes, but I'm not, same as most other people aren't. Those that are, or known to be involved on the 'periphery' should be detained - in my opinion.Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
A beacon of success!
I suppose we will never know how much terrorism it has prevented or caused. We only know of the people that people are released from there who go on to commit terrorist acts How many people have been released and havent done anything?
bmw535i said:
I could be yes, but I'm not, same as most other people aren't. Those that are, or known to be involved on the 'periphery' should be detained - in my opinion.
If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
So let's explore your model. If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
Guantanamo held/processed about 600 people at any one time, give or take (Camp Delta was 612 units according to wikipedia)
Let's assume the "active watch list" is 2000 people ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22718000) which doesn't seem unreasonable.
Let's also make a broad brush assumption that the "periphery" is 5-10x the core watch list (guess, but a fair ratio?)
So that's 12,000-22,000 people for internment, or the size of a small town. The largest prison is Berwyn (2100 men when it opens).
So we need 10-20 new large Cat A prisons? What about families? Are you going to lock them up together? The kids? Or indefinite solitary confinement for all of them?
Guantanamo was about long term processing, but it seems your suggestion is just indefinite internment / life in prison without trial?
I am genuinely interested in the discussion as I don't follow your logic other than "internment". What's your end goal through this ?
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
A beacon of success!
I suppose we will never know how much terrorism it has prevented or caused. We only know of the people that people are released from there who go on to commit terrorist acts 
So what is the answer to this modern day menace? Ban Islam? Throw all the millions of believers out of the country? Stop any more coming in? Do a 'solution' similar to Germany during WW2????Some say that the West should simply stop meddling in the Middle East. Its a bit late for that now, & even if we withdrew all our stuff from Iraq & Syria, & stopped selling weapons to anybody else, & even if the 'Great Satan' joined us in this, would it really stop Islamic terrorism in Britain????????
bmw535i said:
I suppose we will never know how much terrorism it has prevented or caused. We only know of the people that people are released from there who go on to commit terrorist acts
We do know the fortunes of several former Guantanamo Bay detainees, and many have tried to return to a normal life but often cannot.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26257747
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39115761
Vaud said:
Let's assume the "active watch list" is 2000 people ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22718000) which doesn't seem unreasonable.
FWIW, it was quoted as 3,000 in the news earlier this week.It's been there for some time now and well up from your 2013 figures:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606092/Islamist-E...
There's progress for you.
bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
Sorry, that's no compensation. Anyway, glad you're being cooperative. Do you own any of the following:
Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
I could be yes, but I'm not, same as most other people aren't. Those that are, or known to be involved on the 'periphery' should be detained - in my opinion.Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
So everyone agrees you could be. You're asking when you get the chance to prove you're not, that it's all a big misunderstanding. Well you're out of luck there. We won't be doing investigation and trials any more. You've been detained and that's basically the end of the road for you: no one gives you any further attention because there are other people they need to get into detention too.
It's easy to assume that powers like those you suggest will work just as "right thinking" people would like them to, and won't be abused but history tells us life isn't like that.
Not read the whole thread, but this guy was a convert, like Lee Rigbys killers, not saying there aren't issues within Islam but seems to me converts are potentially unstable characters, and as zealous, if not more so than any hate preacher.
I mean, I can understand being born into Islam, you are stuck with it, it is so part of being in that community and very difficult to leave, but I can't imagine thinking "this is for me", all the mambo jumbo, beards, praying, no booze, no Bacon and what you have never had, you don't miss but to go from being non Muslim to Muslim, would seem to me, very restrictive. So it makes me question the mental state of converts, what is missing in your life that you want to take that on ? Same with any religion but Islam is fifth dan, hardcore religious for a previously non religious person.
Remember that ginger Pratt convert, the "Muslim patrol", another convert, another odd bod, I think these idiots are either unstable and take it upon themselves or are coerced by other Muslims, proper ones, give them chance to prove themselves ?
I mean, I can understand being born into Islam, you are stuck with it, it is so part of being in that community and very difficult to leave, but I can't imagine thinking "this is for me", all the mambo jumbo, beards, praying, no booze, no Bacon and what you have never had, you don't miss but to go from being non Muslim to Muslim, would seem to me, very restrictive. So it makes me question the mental state of converts, what is missing in your life that you want to take that on ? Same with any religion but Islam is fifth dan, hardcore religious for a previously non religious person.
Remember that ginger Pratt convert, the "Muslim patrol", another convert, another odd bod, I think these idiots are either unstable and take it upon themselves or are coerced by other Muslims, proper ones, give them chance to prove themselves ?
Greg66 said:
bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
Sorry, that's no compensation. Anyway, glad you're being cooperative. Do you own any of the following:
Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
I could be yes, but I'm not, same as most other people aren't. Those that are, or known to be involved on the 'periphery' should be detained - in my opinion.Motor vehicle
Knife
Petrol container
Deisel container
Bleach
Garden fertiliser
Kitchen timer
Paint stripper
If yes you could be preparing terrorist acts and you'll have to stay in detention a long time. Oh did we mention that we haven't had time to build enough proper nice jails like you're used to. Here's an orange jump suit, the Americans had some where they weren't using in Cuba....
If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
So everyone agrees you could be. You're asking when you get the chance to prove you're not, that it's all a big misunderstanding. Well you're out of luck there. We won't be doing investigation and trials any more. You've been detained and that's basically the end of the road for you: no one gives you any further attention because there are other people they need to get into detention too.
It's easy to assume that powers like those you suggest will work just as "right thinking" people would like them to, and won't be abused but history tells us life isn't like that.
I think I remember seeing it written on the wall of a psychiatric facility but it was written in s
tbmw535i said:
I could be yes, but I'm not, same as most other people aren't. Those that are, or known to be involved on the 'periphery' should be detained - in my opinion.
If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
Ah, so we're stepping back from detaining everyone who could be a threat to people on the periphery.If you saw my earlier post you'd know I mentioned a similar concept to Guantanamo.
The periphery of what? Thomas mair and Adrian ewes are both terrorists. McGuiness probably still knew some/was one. You've had some bad encounters with the police and seem to still be angry at them. You won't tell us what on a list of things we asked you about you own. I think you could be more than in the periphery.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the idea of detaining people on a whim is s
t.J4CKO said:
Not read the whole thread, but this guy was a convert, like Lee Rigbys killers, not saying there aren't issues within Islam but seems to me converts are potentially unstable characters, and as zealous, if not more so than any hate preacher.
I mean, I can understand being born into Islam, you are stuck with it, it is so part of being in that community and very difficult to leave, but I can't imagine thinking "this is for me", all the mambo jumbo, beards, praying, no booze, no Bacon and what you have never had, you don't miss but to go from being non Muslim to Muslim, would seem to me, very restrictive. So it makes me question the mental state of converts, what is missing in your life that you want to take that on ? Same with any religion but Islam is fifth dan, hardcore religious for a previously non religious person.
Remember that ginger Pratt convert, the "Muslim patrol", another convert, another odd bod, I think these idiots are either unstable and take it upon themselves or are coerced by other Muslims, proper ones, give them chance to prove themselves ?
"You ain't no Britisher, bruv"I mean, I can understand being born into Islam, you are stuck with it, it is so part of being in that community and very difficult to leave, but I can't imagine thinking "this is for me", all the mambo jumbo, beards, praying, no booze, no Bacon and what you have never had, you don't miss but to go from being non Muslim to Muslim, would seem to me, very restrictive. So it makes me question the mental state of converts, what is missing in your life that you want to take that on ? Same with any religion but Islam is fifth dan, hardcore religious for a previously non religious person.
Remember that ginger Pratt convert, the "Muslim patrol", another convert, another odd bod, I think these idiots are either unstable and take it upon themselves or are coerced by other Muslims, proper ones, give them chance to prove themselves ?
J4CKO said:
Not read the whole thread, but this guy was a convert, like Lee Rigbys killers, not saying there aren't issues within Islam but seems to me converts are potentially unstable characters, and as zealous, if not more so than any hate preacher.
I mean, I can understand being born into Islam, you are stuck with it, it is so part of being in that community and very difficult to leave, but I can't imagine thinking "this is for me", all the mambo jumbo, beards, praying, no booze, no Bacon and what you have never had, you don't miss but to go from being non Muslim to Muslim, would seem to me, very restrictive. So it makes me question the mental state of converts, what is missing in your life that you want to take that on ? Same with any religion but Islam is fifth dan, hardcore religious for a previously non religious person.
Remember that ginger Pratt convert, the "Muslim patrol", another convert, another odd bod, I think these idiots are either unstable and take it upon themselves or are coerced by other Muslims, proper ones, give them chance to prove themselves ?
I think it is potentially something to do with having quite low self-worth, feeling unaccepted and discluded. Religions offer open arms and accpetance, particularly the more extreme versions. I saw it myself when I (briefly) attended an evangelical Christian church - some very lovely people, and more than a few raving lunatics who would have only ever fitted in to a mental asylum - and they were invariably most evangelical and extreme of them all. I mean, I can understand being born into Islam, you are stuck with it, it is so part of being in that community and very difficult to leave, but I can't imagine thinking "this is for me", all the mambo jumbo, beards, praying, no booze, no Bacon and what you have never had, you don't miss but to go from being non Muslim to Muslim, would seem to me, very restrictive. So it makes me question the mental state of converts, what is missing in your life that you want to take that on ? Same with any religion but Islam is fifth dan, hardcore religious for a previously non religious person.
Remember that ginger Pratt convert, the "Muslim patrol", another convert, another odd bod, I think these idiots are either unstable and take it upon themselves or are coerced by other Muslims, proper ones, give them chance to prove themselves ?
mcdjl said:
Ah, so we're stepping back from detaining everyone who could be a threat to people on the periphery.
The periphery of what? Thomas mair and Adrian ewes are both terrorists. McGuiness probably still knew some/was one. You've had some bad encounters with the police and seem to still be angry at them. You won't tell us what on a list of things we asked you about you own. I think you could be more than in the periphery.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the idea of detaining people on a whim is st.
Well yes, other points of view are valid too. It's fine to disagree, I just don't know why people appear so excited by it.The periphery of what? Thomas mair and Adrian ewes are both terrorists. McGuiness probably still knew some/was one. You've had some bad encounters with the police and seem to still be angry at them. You won't tell us what on a list of things we asked you about you own. I think you could be more than in the periphery.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the idea of detaining people on a whim is s
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