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bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No you said lock anyone up who hasnt been charged with anything but could be a potential one.
Which is anyone on the planet.
Did I say that?Which is anyone on the planet.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
So you think lock anyone up who is being investigated? What if that was you even if you hadn't done anything?
I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
Yes. Anyone investigated for terrorism should be detained until it is determined they are not a threat - only my opinion. Not that of my employer etc I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
Digga said:
Andy 308GTB said:
Tiggsy said:
Burwood said:
rscott said:
Andy 308GTB said:
andy-xr said:
Tiggsy said:
These sort of extreme donations seem a little strange to me, it's lovely that they happen....but I wonder - This was a family man in his 40's - fair to assume he had life cover and his family may be (financial) in a fine place (I know my family would be fine if I were dead and need nothing else). His wife may even be loaded already...or broke...we have no idea. Now she will get an extra half mil - people are asking about the other victims, but then there are other cops, killed at work, who get nothing because they are killed by the wrong person to generate any interest. Just seems a weird mix of peoples group morning desire (up there with turning your facebook pic into a flag - just so people get you don't like terrorists) and a grim lottery based on who kills you. I appreciate this would infringe the family's privacy...but I'd almost feel better if someone said "his family are now struggling with X?Y?Z" and I could dig deep.......as opposed to the current situation where people see £500k and think, I'll give £10 more. Perhaps the police federation should make it clear what their plans are after a certain point. Or if it gets up to £1m is that just that???? Once his family have cleared the mortgage and debts are they really going to want to buy stuff with that money to that level and not see it as a material reminder to their loved one that always falls short of replacing them?
It seems like a pretty straightforward objective to me. If people want to give money to the family of the police officer, that's the page to do it. There may be other pages for other people who have laid down their life for others. But this one's for that police officer. It doesnt need reading into any more than that. It doesnt need questioning what they're going to do with the money, or whether they already have a life insurance policy or whether the family should do something with the money. That's for them to decide.
I do fear the size of this fund could become a problem for the family in many ways.
The Metropolitan Police Federation created the Just Giving page:
"I am the Deputy General Secretary of the Metropolitan Police Federation, and a serving Police Officer. This page has been created by myself for the MPF in order to raise money for Keith's family. All contributions will be given to Keith's family."
I suspect that they didn't anticipate the reaction & as a result have painted themselves (and the family) into a corner.
Or am I being overly cynical?
Digga said:
TBF, if/when the family deem funds to be surplus, they are surely at liberty to pledge the excess to similar worthy causes supporting other officers and their families?
Of course, but what a tough call for them to make. You can always "use" more cash so where do you draw that line? When do you think "we no longer need to work, kids uni bills are sorted...lets set up funds for the grandkids education.....no, hang on - lets give it away" Very hard choices for a "regular" family.Tiggsy said:
Andy 308GTB said:
I suspect that they didn't anticipate the reaction & as a result have painted themselves (and the family) into a corner.
I'd agree - talking to my other half she was very uncomfy with the idea that if I was involved in a high profile death that she gets handed think end of a million pound! "so I get your life assurance and pay off all the debts.....then what is the £1m for?" The gut reaction is to give it to charity but human nature would make that very hard. I can imagine there are all sorts of emotional issues that come from having a life turn around for the better, financially, as the result of something so bad. Be interesting to see how it develops.It raises questions and doubts when you least need them.
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No you said lock anyone up who hasnt been charged with anything but could be a potential one.
Which is anyone on the planet.
Did I say that?Which is anyone on the planet.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
So you think lock anyone up who is being investigated? What if that was you even if you hadn't done anything?
I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
Yes. Anyone investigated for terrorism should be detained until it is determined they are not a threat - only my opinion. Not that of my employer etc I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No you said lock anyone up who hasnt been charged with anything but could be a potential one.
Which is anyone on the planet.
Did I say that?Which is anyone on the planet.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
So you think lock anyone up who is being investigated? What if that was you even if you hadn't done anything?
I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
Yes. Anyone investigated for terrorism should be detained until it is determined they are not a threat - only my opinion. Not that of my employer etc I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
So you don't have a car? You don't have any knives? You're don't dislike the police? You don't have a better than average threat awareness? You can't prove that you're not a threat?
So you could be a terrorist then? Well until we can be sure you're not, heres your orange jumpsuit.
I've not been involved with or investigated for terrorism. I'm not sure why you're trying to make me say I have or could be. So you could be a terrorist then? Well until we can be sure you're not, heres your orange jumpsuit.
bmw535i said:
Disastrous said:
I guess we had. I admit I still struggle to see your view though.
Do you honestly think that the attack on Wednesday was the absolute worst possible thing that could have happened thus avoiding it at all costs is warranted?
I mean, if we locked up absolutely everybody in the entire country there would be no crime, accidents or anything. There would also be no joy, fun etc. Would you consider that a worthwhile trade?
1. I think it was a pretty bad thing to happen yes. Do you honestly think that the attack on Wednesday was the absolute worst possible thing that could have happened thus avoiding it at all costs is warranted?
I mean, if we locked up absolutely everybody in the entire country there would be no crime, accidents or anything. There would also be no joy, fun etc. Would you consider that a worthwhile trade?
2. I don't recall advocating locking everybody up - just those involved in terrorism.
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No you said lock anyone up who hasnt been charged with anything but could be a potential one.
Which is anyone on the planet.
Did I say that?Which is anyone on the planet.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
So you think lock anyone up who is being investigated? What if that was you even if you hadn't done anything?
I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
Yes. Anyone investigated for terrorism should be detained until it is determined they are not a threat - only my opinion. Not that of my employer etc I assume if he was investigated and wasn't charged, that again, until yesterday he hadn't done anything terrorism wise?
mcdjl said:
I'm not trying to make you say you are. I'm telling the police man you are. The police man now has to investigate you. you're now locked up until you can prove you're not a threat. He'll try to make you prove you're not. In case you hadn't worked it out you (and he) won't be able to prove you're not/couldn't be a threat. Still think you have nothing to fear?
What are you reporting me for? I haven't been involved or associated with an terrorists so I won't be reported or investigated. bmw535i said:
1. I think it was a pretty bad thing to happen yes.
2. I don't recall advocating locking everybody up - just those involved in terrorism.
You mean locking up someone who is guilty? I thought you were advocating internment or "potential" terrorists, or have I got that wrong?2. I don't recall advocating locking everybody up - just those involved in terrorism.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
Anyone can be investigated for terrorism that is the point everyone has been trying to make to you.
Yes they can if they're involved in it. I don't think the security services just suddenly investigate anyone on a whim.He was investigated but hadnt done anything so was released.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
Anyone can be investigated for terrorism that is the point everyone has been trying to make to you.
Yes they can if they're involved in it. I don't think the security services just suddenly investigate anyone on a whim.So a little bit of photoshop could create images of posts by you supporting terrorism which we claim you posted here then deleted.
Submit those images to the police and boom - you're locked up, 'just in case'
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
Anyone can be investigated for terrorism that is the point everyone has been trying to make to you.
Yes they can if they're involved in it. I don't think the security services just suddenly investigate anyone on a whim.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff