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bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
Woah! Now it's "involved in an act of terrorism". Before it was "involved in terrorism".
The latter can be photocopying the weekly newsletter. The former is packing the bomb jacket.
If you're involved in an act of terrorism there are plenty of tools available to deal with. Indefinite detention without trial isn't needed.
Saying hello to a terrorist might get you investigated because it shows a relationship; and that begs the question of the nature of the relationship. I doubt the security services dismiss everyone who isn't wearing a bandit mask and firing an AK47 into the air.
There was no intention to mislead. I meant the same thing I.e. Involved in terrorism.The latter can be photocopying the weekly newsletter. The former is packing the bomb jacket.
If you're involved in an act of terrorism there are plenty of tools available to deal with. Indefinite detention without trial isn't needed.
Saying hello to a terrorist might get you investigated because it shows a relationship; and that begs the question of the nature of the relationship. I doubt the security services dismiss everyone who isn't wearing a bandit mask and firing an AK47 into the air.
I don't think saying hello to a terrorist would get me investigated for involvement in terrorism.
I think the valid point bmw535 is making is that these people are almost always "known" to the authorities yet seem able to carry out these acts anyway.
What is it the authorities are missing?
You could ask why he was even allowed out having been convicted of 2 separate stabbings.
Or you could argue that this plus an apparent interest in Islamic extremism should have set more alarm bells ringing. However the police have limited resources and presumably prioritise these to the highest risk people.
How they gauge that risk might be worth looking at.
What is it the authorities are missing?
You could ask why he was even allowed out having been convicted of 2 separate stabbings.
Or you could argue that this plus an apparent interest in Islamic extremism should have set more alarm bells ringing. However the police have limited resources and presumably prioritise these to the highest risk people.
How they gauge that risk might be worth looking at.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
If you were seen exchanging words with a known terrorist, they would bloody well dig deep into your life to find out if it was innocent or not.
Exchanging words? I don't think saying hello would be considered worthy of investigation.
dugsud said:
All a bit pointless - we know they will never "win"...no one is walking around today worried that ISIS will be running the show in 10 years.Most people are not affected by this stuff at all - its business as usual, unless you were run over 2 days ago in which case you might not care who has won and who has lost.
mcdjl said:
How do we know thats all you said? It could have been a coded message you were passing on. Best lock you up while we investigate...
Well originally we were talking about exchanging pleasantries. I.e. Hello.I don't think hello could be used as a coded message.
Who is the "we" you refer to?
bmw535i said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So if someone suspected of terrorist activity/motives/involvement simply says "I'm not involved in terrorism", that means they're in the clear?
Epic.
Anyway,I think you may be more of a terrorist than you think....
Got any knives at home?
Access to a vehicle?
D'you frequently drive the same route, say to work, or the shops?
Sounds to me like you could be doing a recce or practise run.
Best we lock you up.
Im pretty sure I'm not a terrorist. Epic.
Anyway,I think you may be more of a terrorist than you think....
Got any knives at home?
Access to a vehicle?
D'you frequently drive the same route, say to work, or the shops?
Sounds to me like you could be doing a recce or practise run.
Best we lock you up.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Friday 24th March 13:18
p1stonhead said:
Well you would. So you would be in prison.
I don't think saying hello to a terrorist means I'm involved in terrorism.mcdjl said:
Why not? If we're not investigating you, then we're not investigating anyone on that basis. So now we're not investigating anyone reported by other citizens. Or the friends and family of terrorists. So what we're going to do is jail everyone we investigate for terrorism. But this will be ok because, wait for it, we won't investigate anyone . Genius.
I don't think saying hello to a terrorist means I'm involved in terrorism.Europa1 said:
Say you frequented a cafe which MI5 watches because it believes it is a meeting place for extremists, or you unwittingly are mates with an extremist - you might be regarded as being peripherally involved.
As for internment generally, why not look back at when it was last tried and see how that worked out.
I don't think I would be regarded as being involved in terrorism in your scenarioAs for internment generally, why not look back at when it was last tried and see how that worked out.
bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
How do we know thats all you said? It could have been a coded message you were passing on. Best lock you up while we investigate...
Well originally we were talking about exchanging pleasantries. I.e. Hello.I don't think hello could be used as a coded message.
Who is the "we" you refer to?
bmw535i said:
mcdjl said:
How do we know thats all you said? It could have been a coded message you were passing on. Best lock you up while we investigate...
Well originally we were talking about exchanging pleasantries. I.e. Hello.I don't think hello could be used as a coded message.
Who is the "we" you refer to?
That is enough even if you dont think it is.
mcdjl said:
Everyone else thats not you. We've only got your word for it thats the thing. You might even be telling the truth. Saying 'hello' though could be code for "i'm being followed, can't talk", while 'good morning' means "its safe to talk", 'see you later' could be "get the car lets go run people down", you get the idea?
I think most reasonable people would know that hello means none of the above.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
I didnt mean they could actually hear you. I mean they saw you speaking to one another.
That is enough even if you dont think it is.
I don't think exchanging pleasantries would be enough to get investigated for terrorism. That is enough even if you dont think it is.
NerveAgent said:
This has got to be trolling. No one is this stupid.
I know. Hello means hello - got to be pretty thick to say it means something in codeI don't know why people keep asking me the same thing over and over and trying to derail the thread. There's some even trying to turn it into a race issue. Bizarre
p1stonhead said:
As I said, it doesnt matter what you think in this scenario. If they wanted to investigate you for ANY reason, you would be in jail.
We're not talking about any reason, we're talking about involvement in terrorism. Saying hello to a terrorist doesn't mean you're involved with terrorism.
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