House of Commons shooting?

[pim]

What we need to get back to is community policing which has disappeared the so called bobby on the beat.Where I live rates are sky high haven't seen a copper for weeks.

Yes in a car and off they go.The police force has been cut to far and coppers had enough.Nobody can stop a loner intend on harm that has been proven over and over again.All the fancy stuff didn't stop this bloke killing a unarmed police man with a knive.Besides pedestrians whilst using his car as a weapon.

[jjlynn27]

Digga said:

jjlynn27 said:

Digga said:

La Liga said:

IRC he was locked up.

The question was how much money do we want to spend on prisons?

They're nearly always full and the largest category in prisons is people who've been violent.

It's a good point, but I think society's ideas about the provision of places in prison - i.e. the number of cells - is a little deluded. We now have better investigation and detection techniques than every, are capable of solving and convicting crimes that previously went unsolved. Why would we not need more spaces?

Eh, because we can detect and solve more crimes.

Pray tell, how? If they don't listen, what are you going to do? Lock them up?

You ain't too quick on the uptake this afternoon chap.

If:

1. the population is growing
2. we are better at detecting crime
3. we are better at solving and prosecuting crime

then, we will have a proportionately higher prison population.

What's hard to grasp there? Really?

jjlynn27 said:

Digga said:

Dindoit said:

He was locked up due to his previous violent crimes with a knife.

In a parallel thread people are complaining he was radicalised in prison.

Firstly, he can be as radical as he likes inside, but while there he'd do no one any harm.

Secondly, if radicalisation within the prison system is a significant issue, it must be tackled, not left to fester.

Pray tell, how? If they don't listen, what are you going to do? Lock them up?

We're talking about radicalisation within prisons; they're already locked up, you balloon.

You might want to sort out your quoting. We are better at solving crimes. More guilty verdicts = more cells. Not sure what's confusing.
As for them already being in cells, they are. That was my point. Try to add sarcastic tone to that line, and read it out again. You might get there.

eta: trying to fix your quotes.

Edited by jjlynn27 on Friday 24th March 16:51

[Munter]

I wonder. Is there a thread discussing this topic, but for sane people? Anybody got a link?

[mcdjl]

Munter said:

I wonder. Is there a thread discussing this topic, but for sane people? Anybody got a link?

I think unfortunately this is it. Theres not much more to be said about the event once we've got to individual nutter does fairly poor job at running people down and knifing them. We've now got into discussing how do we stop it happening again. The answer is, unfortunately, carry on as we are, theres nothing practical we can do we're not already doing.

[andymc]

so to put this in very simplistic terms if we hadn't been involved with the middle east would we still be targets or left till last by the glorious caliphate?

[blueg33]

andymc said:

so to put this in very simplistic terms if we hadn't been involved with the middle east would we still be targets or left till last by the glorious caliphate?

We have been "involved" in the Middle East since before the middle ages, so do you mean not involved at all, ever. Or do you mean not involved in say the last 100 years?, or the last 50 years.

[fatboy18]

andymc said:

so to put this in very simplistic terms if we hadn't been involved with the middle east would we still be targets or left till last by the glorious caliphate?

Who knows
If it wasn't the various wars I bet they would have blamed it on the crusade

Thing is these nutcases all seem to latch onto Islam, THE Bus and Tube attacks were not done by a bunch of Skinheads or Teddy boys, The Paris attacks, Twin Towers, Lee Rigby attack, and this Westminister attack all done by people claiming it In the name of there Book

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 24th March 17:35

[glazbagun]

I read today that there's speculation that the guy was shot by a ministers close protection officer rather than an armed guard, which ties in with an earler PHer spotting an unusual uniform on a guy with a gun.

I'm surprised that it's not under heavier guard at the entrance. One expects a Charlie Hebdo style attack could have got further.

[jjlynn27]

Considering the state of the world, I'd say that security services are doing a fantastic job. It'll never be 100% safe. Afaik, it never was.

[Alpinestars]

andymc said:

so to put this in very simplistic terms if we hadn't been involved with the middle east would we still be targets or left till last by the glorious caliphate?

It's really not that simple, but IS filled the vacuum left in Iraq. A lot of attacks appear to be motivated by the West's involvement in wars in Muslim countries (as stated by many terrorists).

Would the attacks not happen had the Iraq war and the West not led other perceived/real injustices against "Muslim" countries Who knows. But it certainly appears to be a factor.

[Yipper]

glazbagun said:

I read today that there's speculation that the guy was shot by a ministers close protection officer rather than an armed guard, which ties in with an earler PHer spotting an unusual uniform on a guy with a gun.

I'm surprised that it's not under heavier guard at the entrance. One expects a Charlie Hebdo style attack could have got further.

Yes, it is quite clear the security on the gate(s) was a joke. Unarmed coppers, thin barriers, etc. for just about the most important government building in Britain.

[Yipper]

Interesting to see the follow-up arrests in Birmingham this week show armed police covered head-to-toe in unusual protective gear and, perhaps, a gas mask or similar.

Think there is more going on than is being let on...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...

[anonymous-user]

mcdjl said:

None of which allow for locking up people indefinitely while they're investigated for terrorism.

I know, that's the problem

mcdjl said:

Thats what makes it such a great code. Its completely normal language. If you started talking in some funny language (klingon?) you'd stand out, hiding in plain sight is the best way of doing it.

Who knows this code then?

[Gavia]

fatboy18 said:

ho knows
If it wasn't the various wars I bet they would have blamed it on the crusade

Thing is these nutcases all seem to latch onto Islam, THE Bus and Tube attacks were not done by a bunch of Skinheads or Teddy boys, The Paris attacks, Twin Towers, Lee Rigby attack, and this Westminister attack all done by people claiming it In the name of there Book

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 24th March 17:35

Apart from when they don't latch onto it. Plenty of terror attacks in living memory latching onto Catholicism, right wing politics and demands for independence from a larger state.

[Greendubber]

Yipper said:

Interesting to see the follow-up arrests in Birmingham this week show armed police covered head-to-toe in unusual protective gear and, perhaps, a gas mask or similar.

Think there is more going on than is being let on...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...

No gas mask, just a ballistic helmet, goggles and mesh face mask or balaclava.

Edited by Greendubber on Friday 24th March 19:07

[rambo19]

Watching the news, a muslim leader saying he is worried about people being radicalised whilst in prison.

Tommy Robinson said the same thing years ago.

[MrBrightSi]

Gavia said:

Apart from when they don't latch onto it. Plenty of terror attacks in living memory latching onto Catholicism, right wing politics and demands for independence from a larger state.

muddy the waters more.

[Gavia]

rambo19 said:

Watching the news, a muslim leader saying he is worried about people being radicalised whilst in prison.

Tommy Robinson said the same thing years ago.

Good for him, he's still a racist thug with a pretty long criminal record, hardly a moral upstanding citizen.

[mcdjl]

bmw535i said:

mcdjl said:

None of which allow for locking up people indefinitely while they're investigated for terrorism.

I know, that's the problem

mcdjl said:

Thats what makes it such a great code. Its completely normal language. If you started talking in some funny language (klingon?) you'd stand out, hiding in plain sight is the best way of doing it.

Who knows this code then?

Damn it, I've been trolled. Up until this point I thought you might be serious.

[Gavia]

MrBrightSi said:

Gavia said:

Apart from when they don't latch onto it. Plenty of terror attacks in living memory latching onto Catholicism, right wing politics and demands for independence from a larger state.

muddy the waters more.

Hardly muddying waters by stating the truth.