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Yipper said:
Interesting to see the follow-up arrests in Birmingham this week show armed police covered head-to-toe in unusual protective gear and, perhaps, a gas mask or similar.
Think there is more going on than is being let on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...
Looks like fairly normal Rohan/Berghaus/NorthFace clobber to me, or slightly more robust made-to-order stuff of similar spec, as favoured by covert tactical dudes everywhere.Think there is more going on than is being let on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...
Probably flame/water/chemical proof yet subtle enough to wear enough en route without looking too obvious.
The "gas mask" is either in anticipation of CS usage, or simply to provide facial protection from debris/shrapnel whilst offering anonymity to boot.
Gavia said:
rambo19 said:
Watching the news, a muslim leader saying he is worried about people being radicalised whilst in prison.
Tommy Robinson said the same thing years ago.
Good for him, he's still a racist thug with a pretty long criminal record, hardly a moral upstanding citizen. Tommy Robinson said the same thing years ago.
The sooner they work out WHY inmates get radicalized, (since those who convert are apparently 4x more likely to commit violent crime afterwards than born muslims) the sooner they can prevent things like this happening again.
With the usual caveats that you can't have 100% protection
bmw535i said:
Being radicalised inside wouldn't be an issue as long as they weren't released.
Agree with you!Reading most of the posts on here, it seems like a lot of posters are just "accepting" the terrorists and their attacks.
Extremely frustrating. I wonder if they would say the same thing if a member of their family or friend ends up as a victim.
vkcs22 said:
Reading most of the posts on here, it seems like a lot of posters are just "accepting" the terrorists and their attacks.
I don't think anyone is accepting it in that way, they just have a realistic perspective. It's a bit like saying posters on here accept 'standard' murder because they see them as inevitable. The idea we're going to spend billions more on prisons to stop something that is mostly prevented and doesn't kill many people isn't a rational position.
If you're looking at reducing harm to society that money could be much better spent elsewhere.
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We don't just send muslims to jail because they are muslim, we send them to jail for being criminals.
5% of the population but 15% of the prison population approx.
rambo19 said:
Watching the news, a muslim leader saying he is worried about people being radicalised whilst in prison.
Tommy Robinson said the same thing years ago.
Don't go to jail then ?Tommy Robinson said the same thing years ago.
We don't just send muslims to jail because they are muslim, we send them to jail for being criminals.
5% of the population but 15% of the prison population approx.
Alpinestars said:
andymc said:
so to put this in very simplistic terms if we hadn't been involved with the middle east would we still be targets or left till last by the glorious caliphate?
It's really not that simple, but IS filled the vacuum left in Iraq. A lot of attacks appear to be motivated by the West's involvement in wars in Muslim countries (as stated by many terrorists). Would the attacks not happen had the Iraq war and the West not led other perceived/real injustices against "Muslim" countries Who knows. But it certainly appears to be a factor.
comic relief is on now - wife is watching it not me.... There is a famine in Yemen starving kids etc etc. is sending food getting involved ?
La Liga said:
don't think anyone is accepting it in that way, they just have a realistic perspective. It's a bit like saying posters on here accept 'standard' murder because they see them as inevitable.
The idea we're going to spend billions more on prisons to stop something that is mostly prevented and doesn't kill many people isn't a rational position.
If you're looking at reducing harm to society that money could be much better spent elsewhere.
At what point does "not many" become too many?The idea we're going to spend billions more on prisons to stop something that is mostly prevented and doesn't kill many people isn't a rational position.
If you're looking at reducing harm to society that money could be much better spent elsewhere.
I suppose removing someone from the country is cheaper than imprisoning them. Letting them back in after they've fought abroad is quite mad really.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th March 21:43
del mar said:
Chuck Norris was on tv last week delta force I think, 1970's nonsense and the terrorists were .... Long before Iraq
comic relief is on now - wife is watching it not me.... There is a famine in Yemen starving kids etc etc. is sending food getting involved ?
Is all that supposed to mean something? comic relief is on now - wife is watching it not me.... There is a famine in Yemen starving kids etc etc. is sending food getting involved ?
Rich_W said:
The sooner they work out WHY inmates get radicalized, (since those who convert are apparently 4x more likely to commit violent crime afterwards than born muslims) the sooner they can prevent things like this happening again.
Criminals in prison tend to be a bit stupid and/or mentally ill. Stupid and/or mentally ill people can be convinced to believe stuff that isnt logical.
Couple that with boredom & someone taking an interest in you day after day and you end up with radicalised people.
Resolution is staffing, appropriate segregation, education and activities. All of which costs money which we havent been willing to put in recently.
Rich_W said:
Just because you don't like the source doesn't mean he's wrong....
The sooner they work out WHY inmates get radicalized, (since those who convert are apparently 4x more likely to commit violent crime afterwards than born muslims) the sooner they can prevent things like this happening again.
With the usual caveats that you can't have 100% protection
A broken clock is right twice a day. The sooner they work out WHY inmates get radicalized, (since those who convert are apparently 4x more likely to commit violent crime afterwards than born muslims) the sooner they can prevent things like this happening again.
With the usual caveats that you can't have 100% protection
TTwiggy said:
del mar said:
TTwiggy said:
bmw535i said:
Most people would have nothing to fear from additional surveillance and scrutiny.
As long as they're white/Christian.That would decimate Essex.
It is not about rounding up it was extra surveillance. Stop and search might not have been liked by the black community, but if I it stopped some young black males from being killed then it was worth it.
del mar said:
Sorry threads moves too fast missed your response .
That would decimate Essex.
It is not about rounding up it was extra surveillance. Stop and search might not have been liked by the black community, but if I it stopped some young black males from being killed then it was worth it.
You'd know would you? What impact do you think SUS laws had on the attitude of innocent black people towards the Police? Was that helpful in solving crimes where the Police need local communities to help them? How amazingly naive. That would decimate Essex.
It is not about rounding up it was extra surveillance. Stop and search might not have been liked by the black community, but if I it stopped some young black males from being killed then it was worth it.
How long before they out this 
's wife an kids into protective custody, new identies nice posh safe house etc in order to "protect" them? More waste of tax payers cash.
I'd stop their benefits and chuck em out of their council house, if this didn't know his family will live the life of riley now, he may have thought twice about his ish acts?
's wife an kids into protective custody, new identies nice posh safe house etc in order to "protect" them? More waste of tax payers cash. I'd stop their benefits and chuck em out of their council house, if this
didn't know his family will live the life of riley now, he may have thought twice about his ish acts? poo at Paul's said:
How long before they out this 's wife an kids into protective custody, new identies nice posh safe house etc in order to "protect" them? More waste of tax payers cash.
I'd stop their benefits and chuck em out of their council house, if this didn't know his family will live the life of riley now, he may have thought twice about his ish acts?
Yes, I'm sure his kids are guilty. Burn them. 's wife an kids into protective custody, new identies nice posh safe house etc in order to "protect" them? More waste of tax payers cash. I'd stop their benefits and chuck em out of their council house, if this
didn't know his family will live the life of riley now, he may have thought twice about his ish acts? Alpinestars said:
poo at Paul's said:
How long before they out this 's wife an kids into protective custody, new identies nice posh safe house etc in order to "protect" them? More waste of tax payers cash.
I'd stop their benefits and chuck em out of their council house, if this didn't know his family will live the life of riley now, he may have thought twice about his ish acts?
Yes, I'm sure his kids are guilty. Burn them. 's wife an kids into protective custody, new identies nice posh safe house etc in order to "protect" them? More waste of tax payers cash. I'd stop their benefits and chuck em out of their council house, if this
didn't know his family will live the life of riley now, he may have thought twice about his ish acts? My point is, that not only will we have to keep paying for his wife and three sprogs, we will almost certainly be paying for them to have new identities, and protection. And I suspect they will been brought up to show a similar derison and hatred of the rest of us, as their scumbag crab w
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