House of Commons shooting?
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bmw535i said:
I agree. I also think we'll see an increase in attacks here when those currently fighting in Syria return.
Surely there's an argument here to let IS have their own state? Its land-locked & isolated from the rest of the world. Build a bloody great wall/fence round it. Isolate it. Leave 'em to it. I wonder if this was US policy for a while?? Destroying IS will open a whole can of worms....Biker 1 said:
bmw535i said:
I agree. I also think we'll see an increase in attacks here when those currently fighting in Syria return.
Surely there's an argument here to let IS have their own state? Its land-locked & isolated from the rest of the world. Build a bloody great wall/fence round it. Isolate it. Leave 'em to it. I wonder if this was US policy for a while?? Destroying IS will open a whole can of worms....Biker 1 said:
bmw535i said:
I agree. I also think we'll see an increase in attacks here when those currently fighting in Syria return.
Surely there's an argument here to let IS have their own state? Its land-locked & isolated from the rest of the world. Build a bloody great wall/fence round it. Isolate it. Leave 'em to it. I wonder if this was US policy for a while?? Destroying IS will open a whole can of worms....bmw535i said:
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.
Why do you think we'll be welcoming them back? You've got a poor opinion of out security forces if you think they'll just let them wander back into the country unchecked. Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
In trying to build their particular caliphate they are mainly killing muslims. I could be mistaken or maybe I've got my sums wrong os something but how do you create an Islamic caliphate by killing muslims?Gavia said:
bmw535i said:
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.
Why do you think we'll be welcoming them back? You've got a poor opinion of out security forces if you think they'll just let them wander back into the country unchecked. Some interesting statistics.
Gavia said:
bmw535i said:
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.
Why do you think we'll be welcoming them back? You've got a poor opinion of out security forces if you think they'll just let them wander back into the country unchecked. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swe...
Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
In trying to build their particular caliphate they are mainly killing muslims. I could be mistaken or maybe I've got my sums wrong os something but how do you create an Islamic caliphate by killing muslims?Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
In trying to build their particular caliphate they are mainly killing muslims. I could be mistaken or maybe I've got my sums wrong os something but how do you create an Islamic caliphate by killing muslims?ISIS don't just kill everyone. They have a pretty well developed system of oppressing and bullying both Muslims who don't live up to their ideal form of Islam and non-Muslims living within their caliphate.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26366197
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26366197
Yipper said:
Interesting to see the follow-up arrests in Birmingham this week show armed police covered head-to-toe in unusual protective gear and, perhaps, a gas mask or similar.
Think there is more going on than is being let on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...
Love you ellipsis wielding conspiracy nuts.Think there is more going on than is being let on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...
bmw535i said:
This person appears to think there isn't a risk. There are several other similar comments in this thread.
Yes, one of those comments was mine.I am with Andrew Neil on this, and used the word pathetic when describing their claims of responsibility earlier this week before he did. While not minimising my concern and the impact to any individual or their family who were casualties in this low ball, low tech and low intelligence attack, and even with the potential for nutters to do this on a more frequent basis, I will not let these pathetic, isolated incidents stop me living my life the way I want to.
I wished my daughter a nice day at the ideal home exhibition today and fully expect her to return home later despite the disproportionate reaction of a few to the latest atrocity. There was no mention of "take care, keep vigilant" or similar! Just enjoy your day as usual. She still has more chance of becoming a statistic in an accidental incident on the way there and back than she has at falling victim to these primitive morons, so until that balance changes, I will not be worrying about it - and that is the girl who I have tried to protect all her life so far.
Whilst replying, I would just like to add that IMO these animals are not representative of the genuinely decent Muslim people I have met and become close to over the years. I resent those decent people being lumped in with redical individuals with issues just by association of claimed faith of nutters, and that comes from a dedicated atheist.
El stovey said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return. Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
No one's denying there's a major problem with a very small proportion of those who consider themselves Muslims, however blaming the whole Muslim population for the actions of a tiny number would achieve nothing other than fuelling the propaganda of extremist groups on both sides.
In other news, Farage has been busy spouting nonsense on Fox that Britain is in fear, etc and that we need a travel ban. If it means lock up all 52 year olds from Kent who are politically active , then go for it. I'm sure we'd find space for Farage in a camp somewhere...
SeeFive said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.
Some people that I work with, some of my neighbours are Muslims. They are nice people to be around.
Given the history of posts on this and similar NPE topics, I'd be very annoyed to live/work in close proximity of some posters.
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