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Big Al.

68,799 posts

257 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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bmw535i said:
I'm not sure why people have to resort to insults because someone has a different viewpoint to them.
This, lets keep it civil and drop the insults or you'll find your posting rights removed.

Be WARNED!

Biker 1

7,696 posts

118 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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bmw535i said:
I agree. I also think we'll see an increase in attacks here when those currently fighting in Syria return.
Surely there's an argument here to let IS have their own state? Its land-locked & isolated from the rest of the world. Build a bloody great wall/fence round it. Isolate it. Leave 'em to it. I wonder if this was US policy for a while?? Destroying IS will open a whole can of worms....

Lance Catarmaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Biker 1 said:
bmw535i said:
I agree. I also think we'll see an increase in attacks here when those currently fighting in Syria return.
Surely there's an argument here to let IS have their own state? Its land-locked & isolated from the rest of the world. Build a bloody great wall/fence round it. Isolate it. Leave 'em to it. I wonder if this was US policy for a while?? Destroying IS will open a whole can of worms....
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Biker 1 said:
bmw535i said:
I agree. I also think we'll see an increase in attacks here when those currently fighting in Syria return.
Surely there's an argument here to let IS have their own state? Its land-locked & isolated from the rest of the world. Build a bloody great wall/fence round it. Isolate it. Leave 'em to it. I wonder if this was US policy for a while?? Destroying IS will open a whole can of worms....
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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We didn't learn much from removing Saddam and I think it may have been less painful for all concerned to have supported Assad but keep him under some sort of UN control. Or the alternative would be to completely keep out of other peoples troubles but that was never going to happen.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
Which is why they shouldn't be offered a choice.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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bmw535i said:
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.
Why do you think we'll be welcoming them back? You've got a poor opinion of out security forces if you think they'll just let them wander back into the country unchecked.

Countdown

39,691 posts

195 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
In trying to build their particular caliphate they are mainly killing muslims. I could be mistaken or maybe I've got my sums wrong os something but how do you create an Islamic caliphate by killing muslims?

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Gavia said:
bmw535i said:
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.
Why do you think we'll be welcoming them back? You've got a poor opinion of out security forces if you think they'll just let them wander back into the country unchecked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985

Some interesting statistics.

SKP555

1,114 posts

125 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Gavia said:
bmw535i said:
Couldn't agree more. This notion that we are going to welcome the several hundred hardened jihadis back and expect them to just stop their activities in quite fanciful.
Why do you think we'll be welcoming them back? You've got a poor opinion of out security forces if you think they'll just let them wander back into the country unchecked.
Maybe we could do like Sweden and give them houses and benefits, so they don't get radicalised

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swe...

Lance Catarmaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
In trying to build their particular caliphate they are mainly killing muslims. I could be mistaken or maybe I've got my sums wrong os something but how do you create an Islamic caliphate by killing muslims?
They're the wrong kind of Muslims

Countdown

39,691 posts

195 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
IS don't want their own little state though, they want a worldwide caliphate where its occupants must convert or die
In trying to build their particular caliphate they are mainly killing muslims. I could be mistaken or maybe I've got my sums wrong os something but how do you create an Islamic caliphate by killing muslims?
They're the wrong kind of Muslims
That's my point. The "wrong kind of muslims" (from ISIS' point of view) are the vast majority of muslims. So how will it be possible for an extreme faction of muslims to create an Islamic Caliphate if they end up killing the vast majority of the people who would live within any so-called Caliphate?

SKP555

1,114 posts

125 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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ISIS don't just kill everyone. They have a pretty well developed system of oppressing and bullying both Muslims who don't live up to their ideal form of Islam and non-Muslims living within their caliphate.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26366197

iphonedyou

9,234 posts

156 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Yipper said:
Interesting to see the follow-up arrests in Birmingham this week show armed police covered head-to-toe in unusual protective gear and, perhaps, a gas mask or similar.

Think there is more going on than is being let on...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4345144/Lo...

Love you ellipsis wielding conspiracy nuts.

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SeeFive

8,280 posts

232 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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bmw535i said:
This person appears to think there isn't a risk. There are several other similar comments in this thread.
Yes, one of those comments was mine.

I am with Andrew Neil on this, and used the word pathetic when describing their claims of responsibility earlier this week before he did. While not minimising my concern and the impact to any individual or their family who were casualties in this low ball, low tech and low intelligence attack, and even with the potential for nutters to do this on a more frequent basis, I will not let these pathetic, isolated incidents stop me living my life the way I want to.

I wished my daughter a nice day at the ideal home exhibition today and fully expect her to return home later despite the disproportionate reaction of a few to the latest atrocity. There was no mention of "take care, keep vigilant" or similar! Just enjoy your day as usual. She still has more chance of becoming a statistic in an accidental incident on the way there and back than she has at falling victim to these primitive morons, so until that balance changes, I will not be worrying about it - and that is the girl who I have tried to protect all her life so far.

Whilst replying, I would just like to add that IMO these animals are not representative of the genuinely decent Muslim people I have met and become close to over the years. I resent those decent people being lumped in with redical individuals with issues just by association of claimed faith of nutters, and that comes from a dedicated atheist.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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El stovey said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985

Some interesting statistics.
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

242 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?
This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.

SeeFive

8,280 posts

232 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?
This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
Raul Moat and I share an atheist outlook. I even look a bit like him to some people. But there is no way I want to be treated like him as I do not deserve it.

The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.

rscott

14,691 posts

190 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?
This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
Why would you ask us to admit something which doesn't have any evidence to support it?
No one's denying there's a major problem with a very small proportion of those who consider themselves Muslims, however blaming the whole Muslim population for the actions of a tiny number would achieve nothing other than fuelling the propaganda of extremist groups on both sides.

In other news, Farage has been busy spouting nonsense on Fox that Britain is in fear, etc and that we need a travel ban. If it means lock up all 52 year olds from Kent who are politically active , then go for it. I'm sure we'd find space for Farage in a camp somewhere...

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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SeeFive said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?
This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
Raul Moat and I share an atheist outlook. I even look a bit like him to some people. But there is no way I want to be treated like him as I do not deserve it.

The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.
You are trying to reason with people for whom the answers are binary and simple. It'll never work.

Some people that I work with, some of my neighbours are Muslims. They are nice people to be around.

Given the history of posts on this and similar NPE topics, I'd be very annoyed to live/work in close proximity of some posters.
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