House of Commons shooting?
Discussion
Deptford Draylons said:
jjlynn27 said:
SeeFive said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.
Some people that I work with, some of my neighbours are Muslims. They are nice people to be around.
Given the history of posts on this and similar NPE topics, I'd be very annoyed to live/work in close proximity of some posters.
Your posts are all the same, you read one and you know that it's going to be more of the same.
Gavia said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You have little of anything constructive to say or even debate. Your first move was to shout 'fascist' at me using a false narrative that I talked about Muslim culture and described the problem as being of 'all' Muslims. Wholly false, and something I think even those who don't agree with me on the scale of the problem will admit is misleading by you.
PS. Good move getting the Tommy Robinson barb in as another taint tactic. Someone beat you to saying Farage though.
And you continue to fail to address a single one of my points. PS. Good move getting the Tommy Robinson barb in as another taint tactic. Someone beat you to saying Farage though.
You don't agree with me that you don't just focus on one guy at the top doing the killing, or the three thousand on a terror watch list behind him ,or that the base builds behind these and extends right down to those who will condemn killing , but who want closed off Muslims societies in the UK doing their own thing with segregated schools , women in Burkas and so on and so on. I'm saying it all feeds in to the same corrosive narrative. You disagree. I think we're done.
Disastrous said:
Once again, has it? By whom?
Is it possible when you're in a minority of one or two, that you maybe reconsiders whether your ideas are sensible or not?
I have noted it along with others.Is it possible when you're in a minority of one or two, that you maybe reconsiders whether your ideas are sensible or not?
I'm not asking you to agree with my idea and I'm not concerned that some people don't like it or think it is sensible. All those who have not liked it don't have a solution other than to ignore the problem or even say there isn't one. I don't think that is sensible.
jjlynn27 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
jjlynn27 said:
SeeFive said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.
Some people that I work with, some of my neighbours are Muslims. They are nice people to be around.
Given the history of posts on this and similar NPE topics, I'd be very annoyed to live/work in close proximity of some posters.
Your posts are all the same, you read one and you know that it's going to be more of the same.
You don't wish to distinguish between Raoul Moat and the 600-1000 that have gone to ISIS, I do. I can also do so while going about my life perfectly well. The difference being I'd like to see the issue confronted, but you are more interested in providing excuses so as not to ask any complex questions that might baffle you.
SKP555 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Some people that I work with, some of my neighbours are Muslims. They are nice people to be around.
Some Islamist terrorists have been ordinary neighbours and colleagues too.If the security services couldn't spot that Khalid Masood was a potential terrorist with his previous convictions and the information they have access to then how would you hope to spot if your neighbouror colleague was leaning towards radicalism, and what they might be capable of?
t on your own doorstep , hence why his neighbours had no idea.Deptford Draylons said:
You have none . You started out by shouting 'fascist' because that's what you do as a matter of first course to shut down anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You don't agree with me that you don't just focus on one guy at the top doing the killing, or the three thousand on a terror watch list behind him ,or that the base builds behind these and extends right down to those who will condemn killing , but who want closed off Muslims societies in the UK doing their own thing with segregated schools , women in Burkas and so on and so on. I'm saying it all feeds in to the same corrosive narrative. You disagree. I think we're done.
I have many points. I've stated them several times, but instead you continue to focus on a word I stated in my first post to describe your use of "wake up" and "Trojan horse". You don't agree with me that you don't just focus on one guy at the top doing the killing, or the three thousand on a terror watch list behind him ,or that the base builds behind these and extends right down to those who will condemn killing , but who want closed off Muslims societies in the UK doing their own thing with segregated schools , women in Burkas and so on and so on. I'm saying it all feeds in to the same corrosive narrative. You disagree. I think we're done.
Here's an idea, let's forget that word and you can now answer this point.
You have created a pyramid. Show me the connections in your pyramid. How big is the base for the millions who live life peacefully in this and other countries?
Here's my pyramid
At the top is Ian Watkins, underneath are those who were in the Lost Prophets, then their fan club, then anyone who attended any of their concerts, then anyone who bought on of their CDs, or downloaded it, then anyone who went to the same shop as those who bought it and so on.
This proves beyond any doubt that anyone who likes music is a paedophile.
See how daft my pyramid is? I can do this all day long with any scenario you'd care to come up with.
It is important to distinguish between Muslims and Islam.
I don't think anyone in anything like their right mind thinks 1.5 billion people are genetically predisposed to evil.
In my optimistic moments I would even say that there's no such thing as bad people and only bad ideas, and bad circumstances.
Viewed through the wrong prisn Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas. Combined with bad circumstances it's lethal.
It wasn't a huge surprise that Khalid Masood was a convert. In bad circumstances he was attracted to an extreme interpretation of bad ideas.
What can we do about that?
Nothing quick and easy. Can't nuke it. Can't lock up 1.5 billion people on the off chance. Can't convince them all to become atheists with logic.
I don't think anyone in anything like their right mind thinks 1.5 billion people are genetically predisposed to evil.
In my optimistic moments I would even say that there's no such thing as bad people and only bad ideas, and bad circumstances.
Viewed through the wrong prisn Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas. Combined with bad circumstances it's lethal.
It wasn't a huge surprise that Khalid Masood was a convert. In bad circumstances he was attracted to an extreme interpretation of bad ideas.
What can we do about that?
Nothing quick and easy. Can't nuke it. Can't lock up 1.5 billion people on the off chance. Can't convince them all to become atheists with logic.
SKP555 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Some people that I work with, some of my neighbours are Muslims. They are nice people to be around.
Some Islamist terrorists have been ordinary neighbours and colleagues too.If the security services couldn't spot that Khalid Masood was a potential terrorist with his previous convictions and the information they have access to then how would you hope to spot if your neighbouror colleague was leaning towards radicalism, and what they might be capable of?
Gavia said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You have none . You started out by shouting 'fascist' because that's what you do as a matter of first course to shut down anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You don't agree with me that you don't just focus on one guy at the top doing the killing, or the three thousand on a terror watch list behind him ,or that the base builds behind these and extends right down to those who will condemn killing , but who want closed off Muslims societies in the UK doing their own thing with segregated schools , women in Burkas and so on and so on. I'm saying it all feeds in to the same corrosive narrative. You disagree. I think we're done.
I have many points. I've stated them several times, but instead you continue to focus on a word I stated in my first post to describe your use of "wake up" and "Trojan horse". You don't agree with me that you don't just focus on one guy at the top doing the killing, or the three thousand on a terror watch list behind him ,or that the base builds behind these and extends right down to those who will condemn killing , but who want closed off Muslims societies in the UK doing their own thing with segregated schools , women in Burkas and so on and so on. I'm saying it all feeds in to the same corrosive narrative. You disagree. I think we're done.
Here's an idea, let's forget that word and you can now answer this point.
You have created a pyramid. Show me the connections in your pyramid. How big is the base for the millions who live life peacefully in this and other countries?
Here's my pyramid
At the top is Ian Watkins, underneath are those who were in the Lost Prophets, then their fan club, then anyone who attended any of their concerts, then anyone who bought on of their CDs, or downloaded it, then anyone who went to the same shop as those who bought it and so on.
This proves beyond any doubt that anyone who likes music is a paedophile.
See how daft my pyramid is? I can do this all day long with any scenario you'd care to come up with.
There is obviously no connection between people buying his CD's and him liking child porn. There is a connection between lone killer, people that support and preach killing, people who fund raise for it, people who turn a blind eye to it,people that go off to fight for ISIS, people who sow the seed of division along religious or racial lines and so on and so on all the way down to lesser extents.
In your dumb pyramid, you would have half a point if his manager knew, his record company knew, some of his fans knew etc. You can't see the obvious disconnect ? You are thick. Don't reply to me please.
Deptford Draylons said:
I see how daft your pyramid is, mainly because you're a 'fascist' shouting idiot.
There is obviously no connection between people buying his CD's and him liking child porn. There is a connection between lone killer, people that support and preach killing, people who fund raise for it, people who turn a blind eye to it,people that go off to fight for ISIS, people who sow the seed of division along religious or racial lines and so on and so on all the way down to lesser extents.
In your dumb pyramid, you would have half a point if his manager knew, his record company knew, some of his fans knew etc. You can't see the obvious disconnect ? You are thick. Don't reply to me please.
Despite me suggesting we forget that word, you continue to bleat on about it, followed by insult upon insult. I agree we're done conversing. There is obviously no connection between people buying his CD's and him liking child porn. There is a connection between lone killer, people that support and preach killing, people who fund raise for it, people who turn a blind eye to it,people that go off to fight for ISIS, people who sow the seed of division along religious or racial lines and so on and so on all the way down to lesser extents.
In your dumb pyramid, you would have half a point if his manager knew, his record company knew, some of his fans knew etc. You can't see the obvious disconnect ? You are thick. Don't reply to me please.
SKP555 said:
It is important to distinguish between Muslims and Islam.
I don't think anyone in anything like their right mind thinks 1.5 billion people are genetically predisposed to evil.
In my optimistic moments I would even say that there's no such thing as bad people and only bad ideas, and bad circumstances.
Viewed through the wrong prisn Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas. Combined with bad circumstances it's lethal.
It wasn't a huge surprise that Khalid Masood was a convert. In bad circumstances he was attracted to an extreme interpretation of bad ideas.
What can we do about that?
Nothing quick and easy. Can't nuke it. Can't lock up 1.5 billion people on the off chance. Can't convince them all to become atheists with logic.
Maybe focus on non Muslims, who are inherently evil, but need the platform of Islam from which to justify their badassness?I don't think anyone in anything like their right mind thinks 1.5 billion people are genetically predisposed to evil.
In my optimistic moments I would even say that there's no such thing as bad people and only bad ideas, and bad circumstances.
Viewed through the wrong prisn Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas. Combined with bad circumstances it's lethal.
It wasn't a huge surprise that Khalid Masood was a convert. In bad circumstances he was attracted to an extreme interpretation of bad ideas.
What can we do about that?
Nothing quick and easy. Can't nuke it. Can't lock up 1.5 billion people on the off chance. Can't convince them all to become atheists with logic.
I'm now getting this pyramid concept.
bmw535i said:
Disastrous said:
Once again, has it? By whom?
Is it possible when you're in a minority of one or two, that you maybe reconsiders whether your ideas are sensible or not?
I have noted it along with others.Is it possible when you're in a minority of one or two, that you maybe reconsiders whether your ideas are sensible or not?
I'm not asking you to agree with my idea and I'm not concerned that some people don't like it or think it is sensible. All those who have not liked it don't have a solution other than to ignore the problem or even say there isn't one. I don't think that is sensible.
danllama said:
rscott said:
Why would you ask us to admit something which doesn't have any evidence to support it?
Stupidest thing ever said on PH?What's the temperature like in the sand?
bmw535i said:
I think I've answered every question put to me - even the silly ones about codes etc.
I'm not scared of it at all, I perhaps understand the risk more than others.
The question wasn't about codes perse. The question was asking you to prove you weren't a threat. Your answer of 'i don't know that code, who does?' failed to prove anything. I'm not scared of it at all, I perhaps understand the risk more than others.
If you really do think that locking up people indefinitely without trial isn't even a little extreme.....wow.
I've no idea what you did in Iraq or Afghanistan, but if everyone with you had similar ideas that might explain why both places went down hill so badly.
SKP555 said:
jjlynn27 said:
I can't spot Muslim terrorist with any more accuracy than I can spot murderer or child abuser. I'm not going to put my tinfoil hat and treat people like they are any of the above.
That's why we don't entrust our safety to you. 
Wayne E Edge said:
danllama said:
rscott said:
Why would you ask us to admit something which doesn't have any evidence to support it?
Stupidest thing ever said on PH?What's the temperature like in the sand?
And no, I'm not a Muslim. I'm a lapsed Methodist
Edited by rscott on Saturday 25th March 16:05
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