House of Commons shooting?
Discussion
bmw535i said:
Wayne E Edge said:
This forum has had a massive shift over the last decade. It seems to be full of liberal wets now.
Pistonheads: right wing! What a joke.
Pistonheads: right wing! What a joke.
some people can't even do very simple maths, let alone understand the threat of terrorism.Wayne E Edge said:
This forum has had a massive shift over the last decade. It seems to be full of liberal wets now.
Pistonheads: right wing! What a joke.
Ahem.....bit of a peeping tom for a few years before joining were we? Pistonheads: right wing! What a joke.
Wayne E Edge.......81 posts............66 months
edit...posts crossed over sorry .
Edited by alfie2244 on Saturday 25th March 21:32
limpsfield said:
a bag of fertiliser.
The other half received one of those silly tooth whitening kits the other day, felt like i should of been on a watch list when explaining what potassium nitrate was 
Regarding the insults, some of you guys had to deal with my ugly mug plastered around as some form of counter to my argument, for that im sorry. I will say that TT at least had a sense of humour and even though i don't agree with him, atleast compared to Tom doesn't go full retard.
Wayne E Edge said:
I've been around here a very long time. My maths is fine. If that's what you meant.
No, I was talking about the chap earlier in the thread who couldn't calculate percentages La Liga also made a very similar error in a previous thread despite earlier saying he was never wrong
MrBrightSi said:
The other half received one of those silly tooth whitening kits the other day, felt like i should of been on a watch list when explaining what potassium nitrate was
.
I don't normally do this but it's should have, not should of. You keep doing it! You might end up on a list as a non-native speaker if you are not careful. .
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Im about to mess up your binary world, but I've mentioned before that I'm a member of the Conservative party and have voted Tory all my life. My views are right wing. Wayne E Edge said:
This forum has had a massive shift over the last decade. It seems to be full of liberal wets now.
Pistonheads: right wing! What a joke.
Oops, lots of insults in there (see below) Pistonheads: right wing! What a joke.
anonymous said:
[redacted]
BlackLabel said:
This idea sounds completely unworkable. Are they expecting would be terrorists to tell the truth when asked "what is the purpose of this hire"?
Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
Typical commentary from a theoretician rather than a practitioner.Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
guardian said:
Professor Anthony Glees, from the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies programme at the University of Buckingham, has called for staff from car hire companies to tell the police of any concerns they have about people renting vehicles. Masood hired the Hyundai Tucson used on Westminster Bridge from Enterprise car rentals in Spring Hill, Birmingham.
“I would say that if… somebody [renting out] a car may suspect the motives of the person hiring the car, that should be recorded and passed on… to the police. Security policy is a dial, not a switch. When times are tough, you turn the dial up and I would say times are tough at moment.
“What are the telltale signs? I think people hiring cars should be asked to give a purpose, so that people can give a judgment. What was the purpose of this man hiring a car?”
“I would say that if… somebody [renting out] a car may suspect the motives of the person hiring the car, that should be recorded and passed on… to the police. Security policy is a dial, not a switch. When times are tough, you turn the dial up and I would say times are tough at moment.
“What are the telltale signs? I think people hiring cars should be asked to give a purpose, so that people can give a judgment. What was the purpose of this man hiring a car?”
BlackLabel said:
This idea sounds completely unworkable. Are they expecting would be terrorists to tell the truth when asked "what is the purpose of this hire"?
Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
Question 10: Have you any penalty points on your license?Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
guardian said:
Professor Anthony Glees, ...
“What are the telltale signs? I think people hiring cars should be asked to give a purpose, so that people can give a judgment. What was the purpose of this man hiring a car?”
“What are the telltale signs? I think people hiring cars should be asked to give a purpose, so that people can give a judgment. What was the purpose of this man hiring a car?”
Question 11: Are you planning to use the vehicle for mass murder?
Funny how liberals forget all their ideals and leniency when their security is threatened...
te and unworkable proposal wherever the author is a lecturer.jjlynn27 said:
I don't think that I was asking for the job, but I did say that I think that security services are doing very good job. So not sure what your point is. I'm not asking either.
Point is that there are people whose job it is to spot potential terrorists before they kill people. If you write off any religious dimension because it isn't obvious to neighbours and colleagues then they probably wouldn't have much success. Deptford Draylons said:
SeeFive said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Gavia said:
A group of nutters. We seem to have a handle on who they are, so they're more than likely to face a lot of questions if they try to return.
Before the thread gets locked, why don't we just admit that something is fundamentally rotten is Muslim society within the UK that's on a scale far far exceeding anything that doesn't even come close ?This thread has become a pool piddling exercise for most of you to try and make out its all the same, no excess problem here, don't focus or mention it, just ignore it and maybe magically it will all go away.
The answer of a civilised nation is to find the culprits of the crimes that you describe without lumping everyone else into the problem just because of their faith (or maybe something else) and apply the law to those individuals.
No on wishes to talk or even acknowledge the scale of the problem with Islam and Muslims in every European capital city where its exactly the same. At the top of the pyramid we have this kinda guy who pops up every month or two and who either succeeds or usually gets arrested first, because we know of 13 such terror attempts in the past couple of years. Below him we have 600-1000 people that have traveled to join IS and affiliates, below that we have people who support their activities directly or indirectly and who want to see soldiers and Police killed along with non Muslims. I'd say the base of the pyramid extends down all the way into schools with things like the Trojan horse issue, because its all a part of the same issue and hate. That encompasses an awful lot of people, but by no means all, as is usually the first implication leveled when you speak on the issue.
As I said, identify the perps and apply the law. The only thing rotten to the core is the mind of the mirderous extremist individuals, whatever their race or religion, reason or how they were persuaded to join the cause by other individuals. Yes the Raoul Moat response was extreme, but designed to be given some wild commentary on here.
As you identified, there is a problem which our intelligence services are as aware of as can be expected and constantly trying to improve upon. As others have identified, there are statistics on the bad guys and the total in the UK Muslim population, and trends are not great but gathering such stats on potential rather than known knowns can be a tough task. It appears to me a statement such as "fundamentally rotten" when talking about such a relatively small number in a large collection is the equivalent of saying there is a fundamental issue with Scousers on the rob, or being great comedians, or world class footballists...
That level of generalisation to me would appear to be kind of pool draining in the way that you see traditional, civilised approaches as pool piddling. It is about gathering as much Intel as possible on the individuals and joining dots to hopefully prevent such atrocities, and dealing with those under suspicion, and not so much as putting a special focus on someone who may have just decided to weed his field, just because he belongs to an arbitrary group that is viewed as less than squeaky clean.
The real issue is getting to those towards the top of the pyramid, and once achieved preventing that being used as a propaganda tool to recruit and brainwash more hard of thinking potential scum.
Derek Smith said:
There is evidence to suggest that it provided strong and unanswerable evidence that all it needed was another little push for the UK government to give in to terrorism. It seems probable that if it hadn't been used, the PIRA would have been forced to negotiate much earlier than they were.
That's surely an argument for not showing any signs of giving in to their demands. Canada's dreadful new laws spring to mind. andy_s said:
BlackLabel said:
This idea sounds completely unworkable. Are they expecting would be terrorists to tell the truth when asked "what is the purpose of this hire"?
Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
Typical commentary from a theoretician rather than a practitioner.Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
guardian said:
Professor Anthony Glees, from the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies programme at the University of Buckingham, has called for staff from car hire companies to tell the police of any concerns they have about people renting vehicles. Masood hired the Hyundai Tucson used on Westminster Bridge from Enterprise car rentals in Spring Hill, Birmingham.
“I would say that if… somebody [renting out] a car may suspect the motives of the person hiring the car, that should be recorded and passed on… to the police. Security policy is a dial, not a switch. When times are tough, you turn the dial up and I would say times are tough at moment.
“What are the telltale signs? I think people hiring cars should be asked to give a purpose, so that people can give a judgment. What was the purpose of this man hiring a car?”
“I would say that if… somebody [renting out] a car may suspect the motives of the person hiring the car, that should be recorded and passed on… to the police. Security policy is a dial, not a switch. When times are tough, you turn the dial up and I would say times are tough at moment.
“What are the telltale signs? I think people hiring cars should be asked to give a purpose, so that people can give a judgment. What was the purpose of this man hiring a car?”
anonymous said:
[redacted]
I know the definition of slander.The point was that because someone something sounds good isn't a support for an argument. Aphorisms are not a trump card being, of necessity, quite short. People bring meaning to them that in the original is missing. They are, in fact, shallow in themselves.
Socrates had a lot going for him but I don't think he'd be bothered by the arguments on this thread. I think I'll join him.
Einion Yrth said:
Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies programme at the University of Buckingham,
don't want to come over as a snob, but it's not Oxbridge, or even Russell redbrick, is it.
Yes, you're being a snob. The professor may have said a silly thing, but there's nothing wrong with the university of Buckingham. Incidentally if it's the professor Glees I'm thinking of, he got his doctorate from Oxford.don't want to come over as a snob, but it's not Oxbridge, or even Russell redbrick, is it.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff