House of Commons shooting?

[danllama]

Jonmx said:

danllama said:

Sorry but I find it incredibly insensitive and distasteful to ask the public to spare a thought for an apparently anxious Muslim community. If they're anxious too bloody right. This is an Islamic problem and needs to be stopped by Muslims. The religion is tarred with blood and beyond salvage.

I'm pretty right of centre, but the issue isn't just confined to Islam as last night showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-3935... An attempted bombing in the UK aimed at killing Police officers, planted by Christians.
If you're a law abiding, good and honest Muslim, the chances are you don't know your local Jihadi, and the local Jihadi certainly isn't going to shout about it. Yes, more needs to be done, but tarring a whole religion isn't the way to go about it as Tommy Robinson demonstrated this evening by acting like a buffoon whilst people were still being treated for their injuries.

I hate to sound like a sound bite, but here goes. They're certainly not all terrorists. Some even like to have a drink at the weekends, like my mate Jay. But it is all of their responsibilities. But nah I'll get on the tube tomorrow and feel sorry for the Muslim guy sat opposite me. I'm sure he's as deeply affected as any of the murdered.

[davepoth]

R1gtr said:

Seems bizarre the reluctance to officially name the killer, they have confirmed he is "known to police" so why not just get on with it? I have a feeling he should not have been wandering the streets.

I believe (we have some police here who might be able to give some more idea) that they might do something like this if they had an "ongoing inquiry" and were trying to find some other people that might be involved.

[jsc15]

danllama said:

Jonmx said:

danllama said:

Sorry but I find it incredibly insensitive and distasteful to ask the public to spare a thought for an apparently anxious Muslim community. If they're anxious too bloody right. This is an Islamic problem and needs to be stopped by Muslims. The religion is tarred with blood and beyond salvage.

I'm pretty right of centre, but the issue isn't just confined to Islam as last night showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-3935... An attempted bombing in the UK aimed at killing Police officers, planted by Christians.
If you're a law abiding, good and honest Muslim, the chances are you don't know your local Jihadi, and the local Jihadi certainly isn't going to shout about it. Yes, more needs to be done, but tarring a whole religion isn't the way to go about it as Tommy Robinson demonstrated this evening by acting like a buffoon whilst people were still being treated for their injuries.

I hate to sound like a sound bite, but here goes. They're certainly not all terrorists. Some even like to have a drink at the weekends, like my mate Jay. But it is all of their responsibilities. But nah I'll get on the tube tomorrow and feel sorry for the Muslim guy sat opposite me. I'm sure he's as deeply affected as any of the murdered.

It seems to be a sadly predictable part of the process soon after any atrocity by Islamic terrorists....the muslim community's seemingly first utterance is "we are afraid of reprisals and islamaphobia"

Basically the usual "you must adapt to me and be tolerant of me, regardless of what my brothers do to you"

[MrBrightSi]

Like a Roman I seem to see the River Tiber flowing with much blood.

[danllama]

jsc15 said:

danllama said:

Jonmx said:

danllama said:

Sorry but I find it incredibly insensitive and distasteful to ask the public to spare a thought for an apparently anxious Muslim community. If they're anxious too bloody right. This is an Islamic problem and needs to be stopped by Muslims. The religion is tarred with blood and beyond salvage.

I'm pretty right of centre, but the issue isn't just confined to Islam as last night showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-3935... An attempted bombing in the UK aimed at killing Police officers, planted by Christians.
If you're a law abiding, good and honest Muslim, the chances are you don't know your local Jihadi, and the local Jihadi certainly isn't going to shout about it. Yes, more needs to be done, but tarring a whole religion isn't the way to go about it as Tommy Robinson demonstrated this evening by acting like a buffoon whilst people were still being treated for their injuries.

I hate to sound like a sound bite, but here goes. They're certainly not all terrorists. Some even like to have a drink at the weekends, like my mate Jay. But it is all of their responsibilities. But nah I'll get on the tube tomorrow and feel sorry for the Muslim guy sat opposite me. I'm sure he's as deeply affected as any of the murdered.

It seems to be a sadly predictable part of the process soon after any atrocity by Islamic terrorists....the muslim community's seemingly first utterance is "we are afraid of reprisals and islamaphobia"

Basically the usual "you must adapt to me and be tolerant of me, regardless of what my brothers do to you"

Yep. And it's wearing a bit thin. My original point was it was completely distasteful to ask for some thought for the anxious Muslim community. I stand by that. Now I'm going to bed.

[Jonmx]

andy_s said:

Jonmx said:

BigLion said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

BigLion said:

It's quite easy to get into the mind of most terrorists though isn't it? They see innocent people (most likely family) die in the Middle East because of the actions of the west (drone strike or just destabilisation of a country) and someone then harnesses that anger and hatred to kill those in this country as retribution?

still peddling your anti British agenda then.

What on earth are you babbling on about ? FFS

I think he's on about the fact that last night you were honking on in the Mcguiness thread about the big bad British Empire, and then today, a few hours after people are murdered at the hands of terrorists you say 'it's quite easy to get into the mind of most terrorists though isn't it?' I think most people would disagree with you, and I think you'll also find that the vast majority of refugees from the Middle East hold no desire to attack their host countries. The fact that you see people being killed as 'retribution', as you put it says a lot.

But isn't easy to get into the mind of the terrorist though? He's not asking for sympathy, empathy or understanding, just that the reasons are fairly obvious, well researched and documented and, well, common sense. He's not [unless he wants to correct me] saying that he thinks it's good that people are getting killed due to retribution, he's saying that's their motivation. Agree or disagree, but that's it, or certainly a large proportion.

Explaining the motivation isn't giving excuse to the act.

I wish people would put the Sun down for 5 minutes and think.

Well, I've never read the Sun, and I am somewhat qualified to comment on the subject of International Politics, and even think about it on occasion. I don't know how many of 'BigLion's' postings you've read in NP&E but there has been a whiff of a chip on shoulder about them.
The point of my post was that to suggest 'it's easy to get into the mindset of terrorists', hours after one has killed several people in London is inflammatory and that actually, right now most people wouldn't find it easy to get into the mindset of a terrorist who kills and maims innocent people, quite the opposite in fact.
As for motivations, Big Lion is insinuating that this act has been motivated by events overseas where people have been bombed by the evil West, and they are now using terror as retribution against them. The 'drone strikes or just destabilisation of a country' comment's tone is enough to tell you of BigLion's stance. Maybe it's me reading it wrong and I'm happy to be corrected, but others have picked up on his posts.
Anyway, this runs the risk of detracting from a serious thread about a current event, so I shall leave it there. Also I've been up for 24 hours, so bed is definitely calling.

[greygoose]

davepoth said:

R1gtr said:

Seems bizarre the reluctance to officially name the killer, they have confirmed he is "known to police" so why not just get on with it? I have a feeling he should not have been wandering the streets.

I believe (we have some police here who might be able to give some more idea) that they might do something like this if they had an "ongoing inquiry" and were trying to find some other people that might be involved.

Indeed, there is no need to name him to appease PH and hinder the investigation into accomplices.

[fatboy18]

Personally I hope they don't name him, why give the bloke the fame he craved?

[Yipper]

greygoose said:

davepoth said:

R1gtr said:

Seems bizarre the reluctance to officially name the killer, they have confirmed he is "known to police" so why not just get on with it? I have a feeling he should not have been wandering the streets.

I believe (we have some police here who might be able to give some more idea) that they might do something like this if they had an "ongoing inquiry" and were trying to find some other people that might be involved.

Indeed, there is no need to name him to appease PH and hinder the investigation into accomplices.

Yes, some are speculating he was not acting alone, and there may be more attacks to come.

This was done exactly 1 year to the day since the Belgium airport attack. And it was timed to coincide with PMQs at the ultimate symbol of British and global modern Western democracy. The attack was very heavy on symbolism, a classic sign of an organised terror attack by an organised group.

The next few days may be a bit twitchy for London, sadly. And it wouldn't be a surprise to see a martyr video come out.

[MrBrightSi]

That is the most vile virtue signalling post i've ever seen. fking refugees and poor Muslims and think of other people even if your countries capital is now among other euro cities attacked by the same type of people. No lets talk about fking refugees, if you can talk about your fictional poor 16 hour a day guy we can talk about the poor refugees who have been part of the recent Europe attacks then.

[rscott]

MrBrightSi said:

That is the most vile virtue signalling post i've ever seen. fking refugees and poor Muslims and think of other people even if your countries capital is now among other euro cities attacked by the same type of people. No lets talk about fking refugees, if you can talk about your fictional poor 16 hour a day guy we can talk about the poor refugees who have been part of the recent Europe attacks then.

There's nothing fictional about him - there are examples in many towns.
How many refugees/immigrants have carried out the attacks in Europe? Weren't most first or second generation European born?

If you want to talk of innocent people being killed - the US led coalition in Syria accidentally blew up a school in Raqqa this week killing 30+ civilians. That brings their total since 2014 to 220.

[MrBrightSi]

No this is not the thread for this kind of st, i would gladly argue you in another thread but not here.

[SKP555]

As a poster said early on, perhaps the most shocking thing is how unshocking this is.

It's dispicable and tragic but for years it's been a case of when and where rather than if such an attack would occur.

And it won't be the last.

[SKP555]

In fairness to the camera wavers, while it might look a bit gormless, if you can't tackle a terrorist or perform first aid better than those already doing so there are worse things to do than capture what you can. Who knows what might later be useful in tracking down the attackers or training others to deal with these emergencies.

[Cold]

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Interesting turn of phrase. Watch out for the lunatic in the hire car. He may mow you down mid-eulogy.

[robm3]

Mayor says it's "part and parcel of living in a big city"...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sad...

[Cold]

robm3 said:

Mayor says it's "part and parcel of living in a big city"...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sad...

He said that in September last year. It's not a reaction to yesterday's murders.

[anonymous-user]

Why is every news outlet from the BBC to the Torygraph reporting Brendan Cox's 'reaction' to the attack? Will he be seeking publicity at all murders going forward?

[robm3]

Cold said:

robm3 said:

Mayor says it's "part and parcel of living in a big city"...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sad...

He said that in September last year. It's not a reaction to yesterday's murders.

Yes you're right, my mistake. Also looks like the quote is misleading.

[Cold]

robm3 said:

Yes you're right, my mistake. Also looks like the quote is misleading.

You're not the first one to have been caught out by that article. A certain Trump esq (but not Donald Snr this time!) has reportedly been taken to task for repeating that Khan interview yesterday.