House of Commons shooting?

[SystemParanoia]

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

But the anti stab vest is still standard PPE uniform isnt it ?

Concentrate on the word Vest. Now consider what parts of a person that might leave exposed, where a knife could cut a major blood vessel. If you've planned your attack you're not going to stab a policeman in the stab vest are you.

So vests not fit for purpose ?

[MarshPhantom]

Munter said:

janesmith1950 said:

Unfortunate that the press go the the Nth degree in the coverage of these events. It contributes to the worth of the actions.

If we allow ourselves to become restricted and afraid, we lose.

I have to say that's basically my opinion as well. The value to these attacks is that the press go into a frothing craze and devote all their time to covering it, and whipping it up into a big event.

All it needs is a mention, 30 second piece, carry on as usual, release police statements as they come out. As bland as possible, while keeping people informed.

You could argue not giving them coverage might inspire them to carry out evermore horrific attacks.

[Munter]

SystemParanoia said:

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

But the anti stab vest is still standard PPE uniform isnt it ?

Concentrate on the word Vest. Now consider what parts of a person that might leave exposed, where a knife could cut a major blood vessel. If you've planned your attack you're not going to stab a policeman in the stab vest are you.

So vests not fit for purpose ?

You think you can come up with something better, that meets all the requirements as an item of standard uniform. Go for it. I'm sure it'll be welcomed.

[hornetrider]

Oakey said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Still in prison according to his brother and C4 News have admitted their error.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abu...

In prison for "an unrelated matter". He's in prison for leaving the country without permission on his way to become a terrorist!

He'll be instructing his lawyers as we speak. That's another few hundred k in compo to send over to Syria.

[funkyrobot]

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

But the anti stab vest is still standard PPE uniform isnt it ?

Concentrate on the word Vest. Now consider what parts of a person that might leave exposed, where a knife could cut a major blood vessel. If you've planned your attack you're not going to stab a policeman in the stab vest are you.

So vests not fit for purpose ?

You think you can come up with something better, that meets all the requirements as an item of standard uniform. Go for it. I'm sure it'll be welcomed.

Bit heavy, not so good in the rain, and may have a few weak spots.

[Vaud]

hornetrider said:

He'll be instructing his lawyers as we speak. That's another few hundred k in compo to send over to Syria.

Compensation is in line with damage to reputation caused by a statement. It is unlikely that he will be able to prove anything material.

[markcoznottz]

Evan Davis actually said on news night last night,'it might be more useful to regard the events of the day not in terms of culture or religion, but in terms of mental health'. Make of that what you will.

[Burwood]

rscott said:

Burwood said:

anyway-can all the bhes buggar off so we can get this back on topic.

So, I hear this prick was known to police-any further info? Why these people aren't monitored. It's time the agencies got more resources.

Where have you heard he was known to the police? Last time that was said was when several alt-right sites started the rumours on Twitter that he was Abu Izzadeen (who's currently serving time in one of Her Majesty's fine establishments).

In all honesty I'm not sure. It may be BS

[rscott]

Vaud said:

hornetrider said:

He'll be instructing his lawyers as we speak. That's another few hundred k in compo to send over to Syria.

Compensation is in line with damage to reputation caused by a statement. It is unlikely that he will be able to prove anything material.

I'm hoping he gets nothing and that, perhaps, journalists start checking sources more thoroughly. His name seems to have first appeared on some alt-right Twitter accounts who all quoted each other as sources..

[anonymous-user]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet after scanning through the rubbish already posted, but Keith Palmer had served in the Royal Artillery with MP James Cleverly

http://forces.net/news/police-officer-killed-terro...

[Stickyfinger]

markcoznottz said:

Evan Davis actually said on news night last night,'it might be more useful to regard the events of the day not in terms of culture or religion, but in terms of mental health'. Make of that what you will.

Soviet Russia used that excuse

[MarshPhantom]

I think the point was "right wing terrorism" is often put down to "mental illness" - just some nutter.

Certainly doesn't make it true.

[SystemParanoia]

funkyrobot said:

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

But the anti stab vest is still standard PPE uniform isnt it ?

Concentrate on the word Vest. Now consider what parts of a person that might leave exposed, where a knife could cut a major blood vessel. If you've planned your attack you're not going to stab a policeman in the stab vest are you.

So vests not fit for purpose ?

You think you can come up with something better, that meets all the requirements as an item of standard uniform. Go for it. I'm sure it'll be welcomed.

Bit heavy, not so good in the rain, and may have a few weak spots.

This ... made of kevlar

[Laurel Green]

bmw535i said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet after scanning through the rubbish already posted, but Keith Palmer had served in the Royal Artillery with MP James Cleverly

http://forces.net/news/police-officer-killed-terro...

Was mentioned on LBC just now.

[Lucas Ayde]

counterofbeans said:

Terrorist runs down pedestrians in car, stabs policeman, gets shot.

Pretty much sums it up. Though the amount of preachy, self-important twaddle being spouted by the likes of BBC commentators would have you think that democracy in Britain was almost overturned by a savage attack on it's very heart.

What happened to concise, objective reporting? The news channels (esp BBC) seemed to want to turn this into some sort of soap opera/drama.

[johnxjsc1985]

markcoznottz said:

Evan Davis actually said on news night last night,'it might be more useful to regard the events of the day not in terms of culture or religion, but in terms of mental health'. Make of that what you will.

That would be very convenient wouldn't it.

[MarshPhantom]

I think the point was "right wing terrorism" is often put down to "mental illness" - just some nutter.

Certainly doesn't make it true.

[danllama]

markcoznottz said:

Evan Davis actually said on news night last night,'it might be more useful to regard the events of the day not in terms of culture or religion, but in terms of mental health'. Make of that what you will.

Well he's almost right, Islam has a mental health issue.

[anonymous-user]

People get a little hung-up on 'known to the authorities' and I expect I'll repeat this if he is (I expect he will be).

'Known' is very broad brush. Most criminals are known to the authorities in terms of some data existing about them within the context of crime and disorder.

For example, there are plenty of people who are at risk of radicalisation whose name will be known to the authorities. It could be simple intelligence like 'X has attended a radical Islamic sermon by Y at Z location' for someone to be 'known'.

'Known', in most cases, doesn't mean the person will be anywhere near the level of surveillance / arrest / prosecution / using terrorism powers etc.

People can go from a 1 to 10 without the authorities knowing about all the numbers in-between. This is a heightened risk with 'lone wolf' type attacks.

[kelvink]

Stickyfinger said:

markcoznottz said:

Evan Davis actually said on news night last night,'it might be more useful to regard the events of the day not in terms of culture or religion, but in terms of mental health'. Make of that what you will.

Soviet Russia used that excuse

Religious fervour IS a state of mind. It follows that any twisting/perverting/corrupting of religious belief leading to radicalisation and the mindset to become a martyr could arguably be a mental health issue.