M-103 and the Future of blasphemy

[MrBrightSi]

To me M-103 is Canada at it's most naive, it was pushed by a Muslim Brotherhood student and brings what i thought was an open inclusive and enlightened country closer to almost Sharia type laws.

To me it's a bundling of an ideology with race, it shows a willingness within the political elite to stifle any issues people have with Islam.

I'd like to know others thoughts on this. (keep it to the subject please, i know im not the kinda guy you'd want to kiss, thats been made clear)

[PorkRind]

Is it specifically about Islam, I thought it was a religion wide law? If its solely islam, then that's a bit ridiculous.

[Goaty Bill 2]

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should:
(a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear;
(b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and
(c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could
(i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making,
(ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[anonymous-user]

what is islamiphobia defined though. a lot of people don't understand islam and are scared of it, therefore i think the word is wrong.

i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit one-sided, a race hate law would cover it.

Edited by The Spruce goose on Friday 24th March 14:13

[BlackLabel]

I agree with the guy below. People should always be protected from bigotry and hate however ideas deserve no protection at all in law.

[Goaty Bill 2]

The Spruce goose said:

what is islamiphobia defined tough. a lot of people don;t understand islam and are scared of it, therefore i think the word is wrong.

i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit onsided, a race hate law would cover it.

There is, as so often in the recent passing of motions and bills under the Liberal / Trudeau government, no clear definition.

The motion, while mentioning religion in general, mentions specifically Islamophobia to the exclusion of all other faiths.

Islam is a religion, not a people, nor the followers of the faith.
Phobia is an irrational fear.

When it was pointed out to the proposer that she had defined any act of discrimination or violence brought on by the irrational fear of a religion, she and her party refused to change the wording.
As the motion was being voted on within ten days of the attack on a Quebec mosque, very few MPs found the courage to vote against it, in spite of the open ended wording.

Canada's legal system is based on British Common Law and adds the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
In combination these protect everyone from any form of discrimination already, but the Liberals are Hell bent on adding category after category to the list of victim groups.

It is however a motion, and as such may amount to nothing. Given the Liberals' history under Trudeau, it seems more likely that some open to interpretation law will end up being passed, and as has already happened, the only real test will be the Supreme Court, and no one charged will likely be able to fund that level of appeal.

Yes blasphemy laws are on the cards. And a further attack on free speech in Canada.

[del mar]

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

[Goaty Bill 2]

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

As I said above; it doesn't.
Except for the purposes of stifling criticism of a specific religion.

[WinkleHoff]

The Spruce goose said:

what is islamiphobia defined though. a lot of people don't understand islam and are scared of it, therefore i think the word is wrong.

i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit one-sided, a race hate law would cover it.

Edited by The Spruce goose on Friday 24th March 14:13

I think once you understand Islam, you become scared of it. When you don't understand it, or choose not to, you can live in a fluffy la la land of diversity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Y1KAHVWhU

[Countdown]

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

[Lance Catarmaran]

Countdown said:

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

Because they have suffered widespread historical oppression?

[Goaty Bill 2]

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

Because they have suffered widespread historical oppression?

There hasn't been a need for specific laws to cover any of this.

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects all groups by race, religion, sexual orientation, skin colour etc.

Guide to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

Section 15: Equality Rights
Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.


The courts have held that section 15 also protects equality on the basis of other characteristics that are not specifically set out in it. For example, this section has been held to prohibit discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

[Countdown]

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

Because they have suffered widespread historical oppression?

Isn't oppression illegal? Why does there need to be a unique rule to protect semites?

And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....

[Lance Catarmaran]

Countdown said:

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

Because they have suffered widespread historical oppression?

Isn't oppression illegal? Why does there need to be a unique rule to protect semites?

And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....

Such laws wouldn't be to protect Semites, it's to protect Jews. Don't think you'll find many Jewish Muslims around to be honest.

[rscott]

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

Because they have suffered widespread historical oppression?

Isn't oppression illegal? Why does there need to be a unique rule to protect semites?

And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....

Such laws wouldn't be to protect Semites, it's to protect Jews. Don't think you'll find many Jewish Muslims around to be honest.

Er, Semites are all those who spoke Semitic languages, like Arabic.. for example.

[Kermit power]

BlackLabel said:

I agree with the guy below. People should always be protected from bigotry and hate however ideas deserve no protection at all in law.

That's an interesting viewpoint, and spot on to my mind.

[Lance Catarmaran]

rscott said:

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

Lance Catarmaran said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?

Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?

It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?

Because they have suffered widespread historical oppression?

Isn't oppression illegal? Why does there need to be a unique rule to protect semites?

And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....

Such laws wouldn't be to protect Semites, it's to protect Jews. Don't think you'll find many Jewish Muslims around to be honest.

Er, Semites are all those who spoke Semitic languages, like Arabic.. for example.

Yes, but anti-Semitism specifically refers to Jews

[Goaty Bill 2]

Canadian history is already confused, having conflated anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism.

It's a dangerous precedent to give words other than their own meanings.

But a challenge not above Trudeau and 'his' Liberals.

[rscott]

Kermit power said:

BlackLabel said:

I agree with the guy below. People should always be protected from bigotry and hate however ideas deserve no protection at all in law.

That's an interesting viewpoint, and spot on to my mind.

Can't see anything to disagree with there either.

[Getragdogleg]

Lets all just sit back and wait for this new rule to be used in a way no-one expected or as a stick to beat people who don't support the ideology.

Rather like the Human rights act was used to keep Abu Hamza al-Masri here when the Us wanted to have a word.