M-103 and the Future of blasphemy

[Goaty Bill 2]

rscott said:

Kermit power said:

BlackLabel said:

I agree with the guy below. People should always be protected from bigotry and hate however ideas deserve no protection at all in law.

That's an interesting viewpoint, and spot on to my mind.

Can't see anything to disagree with there either.

Yes, but unfortunately, it is not reasonable , thinking people similar to him that are making the laws in Canada now.

If you watch the Canadian House of Commons in action, the amount of PC virtue signalling by MPs would do justice to the likes of Lilly Allen.

[Patrick Bateman]

The likes of Christopher Hitchens always summed up this best.

https://youtu.be/32KRwzJsy1o?t=190

'Islamophobia' is such a nonsense, poorly defined term. Some people would say you were 'Islamophobic' or 'racist' for harshly criticising and calling out Islam as a bad ideology, Ben Affleck for example-

https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60?t=105

Cringe.

[Lance Catarmaran]

Rather concerning that a motion to change "Islamophobia" to something that covers all beliefs was denied

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/islamophobia-m103-...

And quite where this systemic racism and discrimination exists within Canadian society I'm unsure.

[MrBrightSi]

"If you criticise your enemies, they win" - Trudeau 2017

[rscott]

MrBrightSi said:

"If you criticise your enemies, they win" - Trudeau 2017

[S13_Alan]

Patrick Bateman said:

The likes of Christopher Hitchens always summed up this best.

https://youtu.be/32KRwzJsy1o?t=190

'Islamophobia' is such a nonsense, poorly defined term. Some people would say you were 'Islamophobic' or 'racist' for harshly criticising and calling out Islam as a bad ideology, Ben Affleck for example-

https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60?t=105

Cringe.

The first clip was what came to mind, along with his fantastic speech on, well, free speech. Funnily in Canada (iirc) about this exact same subject, but years ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

It would be nice to have Hitchens still around, although I think Douglas Murray is doing a very good job. One of the few who they seem to let on TV that actually talks sense.

Edited by S13_Alan on Saturday 25th March 16:08

[Patrick Bateman]

Like Hitchens, Douglas Murray also has a bit of venom about his points which always helps.

[anonymous-user]

MrBrightSi said:

To me M-103 is Canada at it's most naive, it was pushed by a Muslim Brotherhood student and brings what i thought was an open inclusive and enlightened country closer to almost Sharia type laws.

To me it's a bundling of an ideology with race, it shows a willingness within the political elite to stifle any issues people have with Islam.

I'd like to know others thoughts on this. (keep it to the subject please, i know im not the kinda guy you'd want to kiss, thats been made clear)

What would you like to say or do that this prevents? Examples?

[MrBrightSi]

I do not understand you Greg?

[MrBrightSi]

S13_Alan said:

Patrick Bateman said:

The likes of Christopher Hitchens always summed up this best.

https://youtu.be/32KRwzJsy1o?t=190

'Islamophobia' is such a nonsense, poorly defined term. Some people would say you were 'Islamophobic' or 'racist' for harshly criticising and calling out Islam as a bad ideology, Ben Affleck for example-

https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60?t=105

Cringe.

The first clip was what came to mind, along with his fantastic speech on, well, free speech. Funnily in Canada (iirc) about this exact same subject, but years ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

It would be nice to have Hitchens still around, although I think Douglas Murray is doing a very good job. One of the few who they seem to let on TV that actually talks sense.

Edited by S13_Alan on Saturday 25th March 16:08

Amazing videos, his books are a difficult read for an educated man like me, but Hitch 22 has a special place on the book shelf.

Douglas Murray is doing a very good job of filling the Hitchen's shaped void and i do enjoy the way he speaks and what he speaks about.

[voyds9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY&t=...

A picture of Mo?

[MrBrightSi]

Nothing shows the issues i've been trying to get across better than the whole to-do about cartoons. Thanks for a great video, for anyone curious to who this chap is, go read into the chap J B Peterson.

[Northern Munkee]

S13_Alan said:

Patrick Bateman said:

The likes of Christopher Hitchens always summed up this best.

https://youtu.be/32KRwzJsy1o?t=190

'Islamophobia' is such a nonsense, poorly defined term. Some people would say you were 'Islamophobic' or 'racist' for harshly criticising and calling out Islam as a bad ideology, Ben Affleck for example-

https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60?t=105

Cringe.

The first clip was what came to mind, along with his fantastic speech on, well, free speech. Funnily in Canada (iirc) about this exact same subject, but years ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

It would be nice to have Hitchens still around, although I think Douglas Murray is doing a very good job. One of the few who they seem to let on TV that actually talks sense.

Edited by S13_Alan on Saturday 25th March 16:08

Just been reading the House of Commons shooting thread and someone arguing over "well what's the solution to combating radical Islam doctrine?" or some such and Hitchen identifies in his first sentence, when he highlights they stop women getting educated, by closing their schools. There it is, you must make sure girls>women get a full education, defend their right to a proper secular education, and not only will you defeat radical Islam,, as byproduct educated women also take control of their reproduction, quite why feminists line up to make common cause with Islam is a total mystery to me, but educated women bringing up impressionable young men, is how to defeat it. Indeed it's why the west is probably so liberal now, suffragette movement begins late 1800s, get the vote early 1900, yes 2 world wars, but you've got to wait a generation or two, post WW2 50yrs later, now women remain in the work place, and run many countries.

ETA: birth rate is poor in the west, but we're probably in the most peaceful part of history ever, in the west at least.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 25th March 20:00

[Goaty Bill 2]

MrBrightSi said:

Nothing shows the issues i've been trying to get across better than the whole to-do about cartoons. Thanks for a great video, for anyone curious to who this chap is, go read into the chap J B Peterson.

I've been following Peterson's youtube for quite some time.
When the Bill C-16 issue 'blew up' it really put him in the picture as a modern commentator, and I believe now, one of the great thinkers of our time.

His university class lectures - all available online, are highly thought provoking on many levels.
To date, only one from the 'PC brigade', a fellow professor at UoT, has had the gumption to face him one on one, and Peterson is in fairness a very calm and respectful debater, though a passionate and 'watchable' speaker when lecturing.

[S13_Alan]

Northern Munkee said:

Just been reading the House of Commons shooting thread and someone arguing over "well what's the solution to combating radical Islam doctrine?" or some such and Hitchen identifies in his first sentence, when he highlights they stop women getting educated, by closing their schools. There it is, you must make sure girls>women get a full education, defend their right to a proper secular education, and not only will you defeat radical Islam,, as byproduct educated women also take control of their reproduction, quite why feminists line up to make common cause with Islam is a total mystery to me, but educated women bringing up impressionable young men, is how to defeat it. Indeed it's why the west is probably so liberal now, suffragette movement begins late 1800s, get the vote early 1900, yes 2 world wars, but you've got to wait a generation or two, post WW2 50yrs later, now women remain in the work place, and run many countries.

ETA: birth rate is poor in the west, but we're probably in the most peaceful part of history ever, in the west at least.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 25th March 20:00

I think that's right, and heard it said quite a few times. Education is obviously the enemy of religion anyway, whatever type.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was asked in an interview about why they take girls out of school around the age of 9. Her reply was basically explaining it, but saying if you stopped this and allowed a full education for all of them, then they would then raise their children properly and this issue would partly go away.

https://youtu.be/6JTCMwdrpt4?t=1211

Also liked a comment from her on fgm in the UK being ignored because people were afraid of being labelled racist. Her point was it's actually more racist because if you imagine this was little white girls, and the idea is you wish to minimise suffering of anyone, well there was be a massive uproar... but cause it's little muslim girls (of whichever background) suddenly that's ok. Despite following this topic for the last 12 years or so, I had never heard it put across as well.

https://youtu.be/AyvKwyQp2gE?t=419

[Lance Catamaran]

MrBrightSi said:

Nothing shows the issues i've been trying to get across better than the whole to-do about cartoons. Thanks for a great video, for anyone curious to who this chap is, go read into the chap J B Peterson.

He is a very smart and dignified man, whose career was nearly ruined when he stated that sex is biologically defined and refused to use the made up pronouns his gender non conforming students wanted to be known by.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Lance Catamaran said:

MrBrightSi said:

Nothing shows the issues i've been trying to get across better than the whole to-do about cartoons. Thanks for a great video, for anyone curious to who this chap is, go read into the chap J B Peterson.

He is a very smart and dignified man, whose career was nearly ruined when he stated that sex is biologically defined and refused to use the made up pronouns his gender non conforming students wanted to be known by.

I doubt very much that many overly sensitive gender non conforming students ever signed up for lectures by Jordan Peterson, even before he commented on Bill C-16.
And much kudos to any who did and stuck it out!

The existentialist reality that he extols in his lectures will never suit those possessed of a victim pathology.

The constant labelling as a 'transphobe' by every leftist/feminist commentator only proves that they have simply accepted the narrative of their leaders without looking into the man's work at all.

Unfortunately, he is often used as a poster boy for the 'ALT-Right'.
That they fail to recognise that he has equal disdain for their extremism only confirms my long held belief that extremists of any kind are mentally and morally limited.

[BlackLabel]

Seems strange that those who tabled the motion didn't accept this quite sensible amendment.

independent said:

Conservative MP David Anderson put forward an amendment to the motion to try and change the wording to include other religions. He argued the motion should be to “condemn all forms of systemic racism, religious intolerance and discrimination of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus and other religious communities”.

But the amendment was rejected by Liberals. Ms Khalid said: “Really, changing the wording of the motion would have watered it down and I think the committee can really look into this if it is an issue.”

Mr Anderson later said: “I think that many of us have wanted to have a mature discussion about this for a long time, and I think actually Ms Khalid and I would be on the exact same wavelength on that issue.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-parliament-anti-islamophobia-motion-pass-muslim-irqa-khalid-david-anderson-racism-faith-a7647851.html%3Famp

Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 26th March 16:16

[Goaty Bill 2]

BlackLabel said:

Seems strange that those who tabled the motion didn't accept this quite sensible amendment.

independent said:

Conservative MP David Anderson put forward an amendment to the motion to try and change the wording to include other religions. He argued the motion should be to “condemn all forms of systemic racism, religious intolerance and discrimination of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus and other religious communities”.

But the amendment was rejected by Liberals. Ms Khalid said: “Really, changing the wording of the motion would have watered it down and I think the committee can really look into this if it is an issue.”

Mr Anderson later said: “I think that many of us have wanted to have a mature discussion about this for a long time, and I think actually Ms Khalid and I would be on the exact same wavelength on that issue.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-parliament-anti-islamophobia-motion-pass-muslim-irqa-khalid-david-anderson-racism-faith-a7647851.html%3Famp

I find it strange that you find it strange
What we may safely conclude from this is that Ms Khalid is quite clear about the demographics and political leanings of her constituency and additionally, that the Liberals are a pack of virtue signalling PC social justice warriors.

Almost HALF of Canadians are against illegal immigration AND Justin Trudeau

He/they seem to have forgotten that 3/4 of the reason they were elected is because people were utterly fed up with his predecessor Stephen Harper (Conservative).
Trudeau is a personality cult being voted in by people too young and poorly educated to understand why you don't praise Castro.

When I read what he'd said, all hope drained away. He is an idiot with no knowledge of the key facts of 20th century history.

ETA
Students at Ryerson University actually oppose hosting a Holocaust Education Week

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Sunday 26th March 17:48

[Lance Catamaran]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Lance Catamaran said:

MrBrightSi said:

Nothing shows the issues i've been trying to get across better than the whole to-do about cartoons. Thanks for a great video, for anyone curious to who this chap is, go read into the chap J B Peterson.

He is a very smart and dignified man, whose career was nearly ruined when he stated that sex is biologically defined and refused to use the made up pronouns his gender non conforming students wanted to be known by.

I doubt very much that many overly sensitive gender non conforming students ever signed up for lectures by Jordan Peterson, even before he commented on Bill C-16.
And much kudos to any who did and stuck it out!

The existentialist reality that he extols in his lectures will never suit those possessed of a victim pathology.

The constant labelling as a 'transphobe' by every leftist/feminist commentator only proves that they have simply accepted the narrative of their leaders without looking into the man's work at all.

Unfortunately, he is often used as a poster boy for the 'ALT-Right'.
That they fail to recognise that he has equal disdain for their extremism only confirms my long held belief that extremists of any kind are mentally and morally limited.

They might not have signed up for his lectures but they love turning up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5_Pv0A-xjE

Although declaring yourself a transsexual is very much the SJW flavour of the month, so it's no wonder he draws their ire by coming out with statements like there is a biological difference between men and women.